What is BJJ exactly?

[Stryke]

This is a common anti grapple question

as in you cant fight multiple opponents when tied up in a clinch or grapple

However I think It`s more a how can you get out of a grapple if you have no grappling skills or awareness of them .

Like any well rounded Martial artist it`s having the right tools and using them for the right job , almost a force continuim of skillset .

I think grappling is very usefull , how about restraining a drunk brother in Law rather than beating him into the hospital ...

How about getting out of a mounted position and getting to your feet before the attackers friends can lay the boots in .

no style has all the answers IMHO

the only way to win against comitted multiples (unless you vastly outclass them and are lucky) Is to make it multiple fights one at a time , or have a equaliser , wether standing or on the ground .

[Bill Glasheen]

Like any well rounded Martial artist it`s having the right tools and using them for the right job , almost a force continuim of skillset .

Amen!

- Bill

[JimHawkins]

I heard the psychological pressure in the ring is the same as the street.

How do we define 'psychological pressure'?

In the ring you and the primal brain know it is likely you won't be killed, and you can always 'tap out'_

In the street there are no such guarantees.

I agree. Still the idea, as mentioned by Sonnon, that the primal brain does not know this difference is in play.

And while multples/armed, etc are another animal and common I do agree that in most cases the punk on the street will be nothing skillwise compared to the trained athelete, depending on venue. Thus the benefits of compeitition I feel cross over more than some may think into "SD training".

[JimHawkins]

This is a common anti grapple question

as in you cant fight multiple opponents when tied up in a clinch or grapple

However I think It`s more a how can you get out of a grapple if you have no grappling skills or awareness of them .

Like any well rounded Martial artist it`s having the right tools and using them for the right job , almost a force continuim of skillset .

Right.

The idea regardless of range is to finish or move on or improve position. Sharp skills in any range does not serve to 'delay' or 'stalemate' rather it serves to gain control and finish or extricate. It's up to the MAist to decide how to best apply the skills at each range based on the tactical situation and range of skills available at the moment.

Skill in any range in never a liability, it's the lack of skills at a particular range that can stalemate you into the 'long sleep'.

Ground skills/clinch skills, the entire CQC range, etc and groundwork is a must for the well rounded MA.

[AAAhmed46]

How do we define 'psychological pressure'?

In the ring you and the primal brain know it is likely you won't be killed, and you can always 'tap out'_

In the street there are no such guarantees.

Well...some pressure is better then no pressure right?

[Bill Glasheen]

People often get into these mental masturbation discussions about sport vs. street. They are interesting to a point.

The folks who fight for a living - such as the Marines or LEO instructors - will tell you that competition of any kind never hurts. Rules-based competition allows you to taste what it's like to work with a semi-cooperative partner. In the ring, your partner is cooperative, mind you, to the extent that (s)he follows the rules and the ref is there to bail your butt out in an emergency. It isn't the real thing but... It helps.

Kata is not real fighting

Prearranged fighting is not real fighting

Bunkai kumite is not real fighting

Sport fighting is not real fighting

Weight training is not real fighting

Scenario training is not real fighting

But... each one of those elements is like the blind man grabbing the elephant in one place. It takes a lot of such grabs to appreciate what the elephant must look like. But you never really know what that elephant is like until you open your eyes and actually see the real thing in toto.

Scenario training is getting better and better at creating semi-real training venues. For example, the Marines these days use Simunition in combat training operations. It's essentially small caliber paint pellets that hurt like schit when you get nailed. It can elicit a mild survival stress response, and the individual can get better and better and learning how to do the basics under such stress.

Training that attempts to expose people to other elements of realism help as well. Another good example is how the Marines these days do their grapping outdoors - rain or shine. None of this cushy mat stuff in a nice warm building. It could be out in the cold wet weather, or in bright, hot sunshine. LEOs may choose to train fight scenarios in a room with bright light and loud music, and water spilled all over the floor.

That's not quite "the ring" with the elastic surface and the ropes, is it? But... I'll put my money on the guy who tested his mettle in the ring before the kata-only queen any day. It's all degrees.

And the day you get exposed to a gun battle and finish with your body free of blood and your britches soaked with urine, well... Then you'll know that you've "been there, done that."

- Bill

[RACastanet]

Another good example is how the Marines these days do their grapping outdoors - rain or shine.

Ah yes. This is the method at the Martial Arts Instructor Trainer course at Quantico and at any location they train at. Plus, they use the 'Bear Pit' to make it more interesting. I am trying to locate a picture of the mass mayhem when there are a dozen or more Marines in the brawl.


Rich

[MikeK]

Ok, so what about Multiple opponents?

For barfight scenerios I've seen one gentleman use ground fighting to make his opponent into a shield against anybody who wants to join in.
Anybody train kicking and striking from the ground?

Training that attempts to expose people to other elements of realism help as well. Another good example is how the Marines these days do their grapping outdoors - rain or shine. None of this cushy mat stuff in a nice warm building. It could be out in the cold wet weather, or in bright, hot sunshine. LEOs may choose to train fight scenarios in a room with bright light and loud music, and water spilled all over the floor.

Nothing like environmental noise to screw up a perfect technique.

[Bill Glasheen]

Rich

Excellent picture!!!

Can you get that thing edited to a smaller size to help with our
Forum page formatting? Let me know if I can help!

- Bill

[RACastanet]

Hi Bill.

Photobucket is doing that. It resizes the pictures to fit their format and sometimes this happens. One I did last week with the 155mm cannon posted credit card size. If I make the pic smaller here it might show up the same dimension with lower res. It is, I believe, not something I can control. However, if you want to work at it I'll send you the picture and you can resize it and repost it. In the meantime I shall delete it.

Rich

[Bill Glasheen]

Send me the pic, Rich. I'll play with it when I get a chance at home.

- Bill