I posted here because the forum wouldn't accept a reply to the other post.
All of the so-called dirty tactics should be practiced by both men and women as they could be the only weapons in your arsenal when you are under the stress of attack.
The generalization that men are stronger than women is equally true that some men are not as strong as other men.
If indeed there is an "intelligence" component to karate applications, perhaps some women will fair better than some men.
Kevin
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WOW Kevin!
I believe I already said all of that!
I believe I already said all of that!
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"Throwing head kicks and punching the solar plexes from a front stance is laughable. "
Funny...I've spent about three years studying Uechi, and I've never seen anyone in it do either of those techniques.
In all seriousness, the Uechi system doesn't look like most Japanese karate systems. The stances are shorter, the kicks are kept low, and the punches are targeted at more than just the solar plexus.
Food for thought.
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Funny...I've spent about three years studying Uechi, and I've never seen anyone in it do either of those techniques.
In all seriousness, the Uechi system doesn't look like most Japanese karate systems. The stances are shorter, the kicks are kept low, and the punches are targeted at more than just the solar plexus.
Food for thought.
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If in the scenario the attacker severely out weights the victim be it a women or a man. I would think the worst place to be is on the ground. If the Man that is attacking is so much stronger then he would most likely be able to power his way out of most grappling situations. I would think the victims best bet are striking techniques aimed at the weak areas of the body. Which are more then just the eyes, throat and groin. It doesn't take much to snap a knee. A shoken (single knuckle punch) in the zyphoid process hurts a lot and again doesn't take much power to deliver. Remember when being attacked the end result is not to leave the attacker in a heaping pile of destroyed flesh but to survive.
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Poor, poor Lone Wolf so this is how you argue a point? edited
Your right though not much will stop a Drug crazed attacker, there have been some cases that where a gun didn't even stop a drug crazed attacker. Apparently you didn't read my post read it again. I never said one shot one kill. Personally I don't believe that's likely, though I have seen it done. I'm talking about getting enough room between you an attacker to get away. Your best defense is to run.
And again you're right; grappling is designed for smaller opponents. But if you think a 110lb girl could grapple a 230lb drug crazed attacker then your very misguided. Every Self-defense expert will tell you that if you want to survive being attacked on the streets DO NOT GO TO THE GROUND. Sorry but those are the facts. Now if you want to argue the facts then you came to the right place, but if all you want to do is sling insults then take it some where else because no one wants to hear it.
I'm curious though what are your credentials anyway? Do you actually train or are you just going on what you see in the UFC? Perhapses this is just another case of a little knowledge is dangerous.
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Your right though not much will stop a Drug crazed attacker, there have been some cases that where a gun didn't even stop a drug crazed attacker. Apparently you didn't read my post read it again. I never said one shot one kill. Personally I don't believe that's likely, though I have seen it done. I'm talking about getting enough room between you an attacker to get away. Your best defense is to run.
And again you're right; grappling is designed for smaller opponents. But if you think a 110lb girl could grapple a 230lb drug crazed attacker then your very misguided. Every Self-defense expert will tell you that if you want to survive being attacked on the streets DO NOT GO TO THE GROUND. Sorry but those are the facts. Now if you want to argue the facts then you came to the right place, but if all you want to do is sling insults then take it some where else because no one wants to hear it.
I'm curious though what are your credentials anyway? Do you actually train or are you just going on what you see in the UFC? Perhapses this is just another case of a little knowledge is dangerous.
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LW,
you wrote...
WOW Kevin!
I believe I already said all of that!
You may have.
It came through as more of an attempt to bait people (women in particular, hence your posting here) into arguing the merits of traditional martial arts and its effectiveness in self defense.
The forum moderators so far have been extremely kind to you. IMHO, they may feel you have something to offer from your experience. (Care to write about that so we can get some perspective?)
Sit back, read some of the posts, get a feel for the type of dialog and simple courtesy that is exchanged here, and then perhaps you will be able to discuss the merits of your knowledge more constructively.
Kevin
you wrote...
WOW Kevin!
I believe I already said all of that!
You may have.
It came through as more of an attempt to bait people (women in particular, hence your posting here) into arguing the merits of traditional martial arts and its effectiveness in self defense.
The forum moderators so far have been extremely kind to you. IMHO, they may feel you have something to offer from your experience. (Care to write about that so we can get some perspective?)
Sit back, read some of the posts, get a feel for the type of dialog and simple courtesy that is exchanged here, and then perhaps you will be able to discuss the merits of your knowledge more constructively.
Kevin
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I apoligize for allowing myself to be baited and for fueling the fire. It won't happen again.
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LW said "Guys grab girls, Guys hit guys."
Really? Tell that to all of the women who get the **** knocked out of them on a regular basis by husbands and boyfriends...
the days of 'rules' about 'not hitting girls' is long gone, if it ever in fact really existed.
Without getting too far into the 'technique' debate (i.e. the 'what's truly effective in a fight' question) the notion that one "set" of skills is adequate for all situations is ill conceived. I believe the point has been made on other forums (repeatedly) that it is important to have skills which are applicable to various situations (striking, grappling, weapons, etc.). I believe the point has also been made that knowing when to use which skills is a crucial part of training. Rather than recap those points, I would suggest folks review them in their original form.
greg
Really? Tell that to all of the women who get the **** knocked out of them on a regular basis by husbands and boyfriends...
the days of 'rules' about 'not hitting girls' is long gone, if it ever in fact really existed.
Without getting too far into the 'technique' debate (i.e. the 'what's truly effective in a fight' question) the notion that one "set" of skills is adequate for all situations is ill conceived. I believe the point has been made on other forums (repeatedly) that it is important to have skills which are applicable to various situations (striking, grappling, weapons, etc.). I believe the point has also been made that knowing when to use which skills is a crucial part of training. Rather than recap those points, I would suggest folks review them in their original form.
greg
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Or is it that manners are more prized here than boorishness?
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Don't make bogey-men out of "Drug crazed" attackers. Some can be stopped with a shout. Some with a warm smile and a calm demeanor. I've seen one plump, 40-ish woman stop a 190 man near riot with a good scolding. The predator-prey scenario is a drama with particular roles. Survivors don't act like prey.
Paul, not a slam, but grappling is not designed for the smaller opponent. Basic grappling is as old as man and very safe. Children grapple as a safe way to establish dominance.
The advanced combat styles, the koryu jujutsus for instance, arose for a separate and special purpose. Basically, grappling works well on an armored opponent.
Rory
Paul, not a slam, but grappling is not designed for the smaller opponent. Basic grappling is as old as man and very safe. Children grapple as a safe way to establish dominance.
The advanced combat styles, the koryu jujutsus for instance, arose for a separate and special purpose. Basically, grappling works well on an armored opponent.
Rory
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ATTEN:EVERYONE.
I will no longer be posting at this Forum due to the fact that censorship is held in higher regard than freedom of speech.
Sounds like a lot of crying to me....
I, for one, am glad to see you go. Most people who post here act like Ladies and Gentlemen. You, sir, act like a juvenile. Maybe you should find another sandbox.
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Sounds like a lot of crying to me....
I, for one, am glad to see you go. Most people who post here act like Ladies and Gentlemen. You, sir, act like a juvenile. Maybe you should find another sandbox.
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RA Miller: No slam taken. Your right grappling is designed for everybody. And can be used effectively by anyone. I was just trying to make a point that there are flaws in any MA. Lets be honest its going to be very difficult (not impossible I know) to slap a choke hold or an arm bar or whatever on somebody that is twice your weight and three times stronger then you. Add to that this person wants to rip your head off. I know that it doesn't take much to turn someone blue with a choke, the difficult part is slapping it on. But then again what do I know I'm only a "Traditional Karate guy".
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Not really what I meant, Paul. A stronger person has an advantage at everything. So does a quicker person. A person with bony forearms had an advantage at strangling...
Let me try it from the other end. You're a "Traditional Karate Guy". If I said "Karate was designed for guys with strong abs." I'd get the same response, I think. Strong abs are a definite advantage, but no one ever sat down and decided to create karate just to benefit those people.
That was the only part I objected to- that the developement of a whole class of combat styles was based on benefitting one group of people.
Rory
Let me try it from the other end. You're a "Traditional Karate Guy". If I said "Karate was designed for guys with strong abs." I'd get the same response, I think. Strong abs are a definite advantage, but no one ever sat down and decided to create karate just to benefit those people.
That was the only part I objected to- that the developement of a whole class of combat styles was based on benefitting one group of people.
Rory
