Originally posted by Doctor X in the "Realities" forum - but it got a bit lost in the "explosive power" of the emotional content... all great reading but I felt these (well most of them) to be pertinent to this forum. Any takers?
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Sorry to barge in, but I advise not allowing personal differences to obscure the theme of the discussion.
1. Do women suffer a disadvantage when facing an assailant?
2. Is the disadvantage secondary to physical limitations, mindset, or both?
3. Do these limitations parallel the limitations all martial artists who pretend to learn self-defense possess?
4. Lemon Curry?
5. How does one, male or female or not-sure-but-does-not-want-to-be-pressured, face and overcome these limitations?
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1. Do women suffer a disadvantage when facing an assailant?
Depends on the woman. And the assailant.
My eight year old sister would be at severe disadvantage against Ken Shamrock.
I don't mean to make light (sure you do! Ed.) (Shut up Ed...). My point is, that's a very broad question, and that makes it very difficult to answer without making sweeping generalizations.
2. Is the disadvantage secondary to physical limitations, mindset, or both?
Besides physical, tactical, and psychological, what other disadvantages are there?
3. Do these limitations parallel the limitations all martial artists who pretend to learn self-defense possess?
I would say so.
I believe that men and women in the pursuit of realistic self-defense face many similar issues, both in physical and mental training.
To be sure, some scenarios are likely to occur more quickly to men, and others to women (I've noticed a tendency of many male's to talk about bar fights...despite some of them never going into bars).
4. Lemon Curry?
Who's buying? For free, I'll eat almost anything (Don't ask what part of mindset training that constitutes...)
5. How does one, male or female or not-sure-but-does-not-want-to-be-pressured, face and overcome these limitations?
Train physically. Train mentally. Seek out your weakness, and strengthen it.
This is, of course, all from a male perspective...but I can't help but open my big mouth.
Jake
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Depends on the woman. And the assailant.
My eight year old sister would be at severe disadvantage against Ken Shamrock.
I don't mean to make light (sure you do! Ed.) (Shut up Ed...). My point is, that's a very broad question, and that makes it very difficult to answer without making sweeping generalizations.
2. Is the disadvantage secondary to physical limitations, mindset, or both?
Besides physical, tactical, and psychological, what other disadvantages are there?
3. Do these limitations parallel the limitations all martial artists who pretend to learn self-defense possess?
I would say so.
I believe that men and women in the pursuit of realistic self-defense face many similar issues, both in physical and mental training.
To be sure, some scenarios are likely to occur more quickly to men, and others to women (I've noticed a tendency of many male's to talk about bar fights...despite some of them never going into bars).
4. Lemon Curry?
Who's buying? For free, I'll eat almost anything (Don't ask what part of mindset training that constitutes...)
5. How does one, male or female or not-sure-but-does-not-want-to-be-pressured, face and overcome these limitations?
Train physically. Train mentally. Seek out your weakness, and strengthen it.
This is, of course, all from a male perspective...but I can't help but open my big mouth.
Jake
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Every time a new officer is hired, we watch them. Male or female, no one is really comfortable until we've seen them in a fight. Some people run in, some run away and some freeze, and a fight is the only way to tell.
Every officer goes through this but women almost universally, think it is a gender issue. The exceptions all have serious team sport experience- college or semi-pro. One great new officer explained it: Guys are used to being tested physically. From sports to shoving games in high school there is a physical rite of entry. For female LEO's, the job is often the first exposure to this. The guys go through it too, but almost nonchallantly. For female officers it can be very stressful.
Toby Beck also points out that boys rough house. They've regularly recieved physical impact for fun. Most young women have only been hit as punishment. When they enter a sport (or are assaulted -- not where Beck studied but my observation) that involves contact taking and giving blows is very emotional. They literally have to argue down the voice that tells them "You've been hit! You must have been very very bad!"
That can be crippling.
Rory
Every officer goes through this but women almost universally, think it is a gender issue. The exceptions all have serious team sport experience- college or semi-pro. One great new officer explained it: Guys are used to being tested physically. From sports to shoving games in high school there is a physical rite of entry. For female LEO's, the job is often the first exposure to this. The guys go through it too, but almost nonchallantly. For female officers it can be very stressful.
Toby Beck also points out that boys rough house. They've regularly recieved physical impact for fun. Most young women have only been hit as punishment. When they enter a sport (or are assaulted -- not where Beck studied but my observation) that involves contact taking and giving blows is very emotional. They literally have to argue down the voice that tells them "You've been hit! You must have been very very bad!"
That can be crippling.
Rory
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Just a quick note....when I first started working out at the dojo I had never hit another person in my entire life....my first year of training was constantly filled with "I'm sorry" just about every time I hit someone ....and I mean just about every time...then one night a guy hit me in the regular line of working out...talk about offended!!! (Duh...isn't that what you're supposed to do?)
Well...he certainly didn't apologize...so I went home and did the soul-searching thing that night and realized that alot of women feel the need to apologize when they hit someone...it's very difficult to get that "programming" out of your mind...
I have a male friend I have played tennis with on occasion...I used to apologize every time he missed a shot...THEN I used to apologize for apologizing...we worked it out so that I was allowed no more than two apologies every time we played....last time we played...there were no apologies
(I'm coming along...)
Well...he certainly didn't apologize...so I went home and did the soul-searching thing that night and realized that alot of women feel the need to apologize when they hit someone...it's very difficult to get that "programming" out of your mind...
I have a male friend I have played tennis with on occasion...I used to apologize every time he missed a shot...THEN I used to apologize for apologizing...we worked it out so that I was allowed no more than two apologies every time we played....last time we played...there were no apologies
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Good questions.
For what it is worth,here's my 2 cents.
1)Women do have a physical disadvantage. They have an advantage, however, in that the assailant probably doesn't expect a woman to hit back with any kind of power. I have had the pleasure of training with Kathy Long and Christine Rodrigues is one of my Kenpo teachers. I would not mess with either one.
2)I think with regard to mindset, and I have said this often and totally believe it, the bottom line is confidence and honesty. Confidence in the system(s) you train in and being honest with yourself in your own abilities. You develop confidence in the way you train. For example, stickfighting with full gear is a tremedous confidence builder. So much so that it will improve your empty handed sparring more than you can imagine.
3)Absolutly. I know a lot of guys who think they are bad. Remember, I work 2 nights a week in a bar. I hear guys talk. It's priceless. We all know of martial artists who are the same way. It doesn't matter if you are a man or woman, people seem to con themselves.
4) I hate curries, I am glad you asked.
5)Again, as I mentioned above, cross train. You guys probably knew I would say that. Train hard. Train realistically. Look at a technique and say, HONESTLY, could I pull this off in the street?
In my school, we work focus mitts and/or Thai pads EVERY CLASS! Every single class. We spar all the time. We grapple, trap and do all kinds of Filipino reflex drills. I have a program I teach of "Urban Street Tatics", it is by invitation only. It is a reality check for my students. The point is, they are totally confident with their abilities in a fight. And sadly, I have had student who have been in some bad situations over the years. With 2 exceptions, they have all done very well.
Confidence (and the developing of it) and being honest with yourself. I think it's the key.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
Raf
For what it is worth,here's my 2 cents.
1)Women do have a physical disadvantage. They have an advantage, however, in that the assailant probably doesn't expect a woman to hit back with any kind of power. I have had the pleasure of training with Kathy Long and Christine Rodrigues is one of my Kenpo teachers. I would not mess with either one.
2)I think with regard to mindset, and I have said this often and totally believe it, the bottom line is confidence and honesty. Confidence in the system(s) you train in and being honest with yourself in your own abilities. You develop confidence in the way you train. For example, stickfighting with full gear is a tremedous confidence builder. So much so that it will improve your empty handed sparring more than you can imagine.
3)Absolutly. I know a lot of guys who think they are bad. Remember, I work 2 nights a week in a bar. I hear guys talk. It's priceless. We all know of martial artists who are the same way. It doesn't matter if you are a man or woman, people seem to con themselves.
4) I hate curries, I am glad you asked.
5)Again, as I mentioned above, cross train. You guys probably knew I would say that. Train hard. Train realistically. Look at a technique and say, HONESTLY, could I pull this off in the street?
In my school, we work focus mitts and/or Thai pads EVERY CLASS! Every single class. We spar all the time. We grapple, trap and do all kinds of Filipino reflex drills. I have a program I teach of "Urban Street Tatics", it is by invitation only. It is a reality check for my students. The point is, they are totally confident with their abilities in a fight. And sadly, I have had student who have been in some bad situations over the years. With 2 exceptions, they have all done very well.
Confidence (and the developing of it) and being honest with yourself. I think it's the key.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
Raf
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Raffi,
I like your training attitude/approach. I hope to get to your place at some point.
I'll buy you Chinese food. No curry, of course...
david
I like your training attitude/approach. I hope to get to your place at some point.
I'll buy you Chinese food. No curry, of course...
david
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Mary,
I'm a guy, and I tend to feel sorry when I hit sombody. Then there is training. As we progress we all get over what you got over, I think. When you realize there is usefulness in it, and nobody gets killed. We do have a lot of controls in place to prevent injuries. The emotions we experience when sparring or doing any two person drill are an interesting subject.
Sensei Derderian,
Sparring with weapons and full gear sounds like tons of fun. Do kali/escrima folks do that? Are there any websites you can point us to? I've tried searches but had no luck. The redman suit was designed for weapons training, I always wondered why two people could'nt put one on and go at it with kobudo weapons or escrima sticks.
I think we all face a natural aversion to violence. There is also a "natural born killer" in every one of us. History is full of women who have overcome thier fears, acted in the face of danger, and acted violently. Same for men. And history is also full of men who behaved "cowardly", or failed to function through the stressors of a violent/abusive confrontation. Thats not to say we(men and women) are the same, or approach problems in the same way. (I beleive Bill-Sensei pointed this out already on the previous thread.)
Actually I think insecurities vary on an individual basis. Women as a group have similar insecurities, and men as a group do also. Can we overcome these things? I think yes. Should the approach be the same for men as for women? Would it help to identify the insecurities that women tend to face as a group, and adress them with specific training methods? Have the martial arts developed with a bias towards men's shared insecurities? Have the martial arts adequetly adressed men's shared insecurities.
I saw a tv program on U.S. military training. The military did a study and found that in WWII and Korea soldiers on a wide spread basis tended to "choke" during a combat situation. They saw the enemy, but froze and failed to "hit"(as in Mary's example above) them.(with bullets)
The Military decided this was due to the way soldiers were trained with thier weapons. They had been trained to shoot "bullseye" type targets from a firing line for accuracy. Perfecting technique - with outcome of well placed shots, a "good score" was the emphasis. (Much like kata training, now that I think about it.) The outcome was that soldiers did become great shots, but when faced with the prospect of shooting a human being they would choke and not use thier skills.
The solution that the military came up with was to have "pop-up" targets that would be shaped like a human silouette. Soldiers would be trained to instictivley shoot as soon as the silouette came into thier view. The time elapsed between each target popping into view would gradually decrease as the soldier's skill improved. The result of this training was an increase in the "rate of fire" when soldiers went into combat. (Vietnam) It also increased the "kill ratio". However, now soldiers had to deal with the effects of kiling another human being later on in thier lives. (A better alternative, since they WERE alive - not easy though)
The Ex-military trainer on the program was making a case against modern video games. He said the shoot-em-up type video games were doing exactly what his training program did for young U.S. Marines. (short circuit the natural human tendancy to avoid killing) He thinks this, combined with violent videos and movies are major causes of violence in our soceity and school shootings in particular.
Are men and women really so different? Some of the toughest marines in WWII "choked" when faced with the prospect of shooting a human being.
I'm a guy, and I tend to feel sorry when I hit sombody. Then there is training. As we progress we all get over what you got over, I think. When you realize there is usefulness in it, and nobody gets killed. We do have a lot of controls in place to prevent injuries. The emotions we experience when sparring or doing any two person drill are an interesting subject.
Sensei Derderian,
Sparring with weapons and full gear sounds like tons of fun. Do kali/escrima folks do that? Are there any websites you can point us to? I've tried searches but had no luck. The redman suit was designed for weapons training, I always wondered why two people could'nt put one on and go at it with kobudo weapons or escrima sticks.
I think we all face a natural aversion to violence. There is also a "natural born killer" in every one of us. History is full of women who have overcome thier fears, acted in the face of danger, and acted violently. Same for men. And history is also full of men who behaved "cowardly", or failed to function through the stressors of a violent/abusive confrontation. Thats not to say we(men and women) are the same, or approach problems in the same way. (I beleive Bill-Sensei pointed this out already on the previous thread.)
Actually I think insecurities vary on an individual basis. Women as a group have similar insecurities, and men as a group do also. Can we overcome these things? I think yes. Should the approach be the same for men as for women? Would it help to identify the insecurities that women tend to face as a group, and adress them with specific training methods? Have the martial arts developed with a bias towards men's shared insecurities? Have the martial arts adequetly adressed men's shared insecurities.
I saw a tv program on U.S. military training. The military did a study and found that in WWII and Korea soldiers on a wide spread basis tended to "choke" during a combat situation. They saw the enemy, but froze and failed to "hit"(as in Mary's example above) them.(with bullets)
The Military decided this was due to the way soldiers were trained with thier weapons. They had been trained to shoot "bullseye" type targets from a firing line for accuracy. Perfecting technique - with outcome of well placed shots, a "good score" was the emphasis. (Much like kata training, now that I think about it.) The outcome was that soldiers did become great shots, but when faced with the prospect of shooting a human being they would choke and not use thier skills.
The solution that the military came up with was to have "pop-up" targets that would be shaped like a human silouette. Soldiers would be trained to instictivley shoot as soon as the silouette came into thier view. The time elapsed between each target popping into view would gradually decrease as the soldier's skill improved. The result of this training was an increase in the "rate of fire" when soldiers went into combat. (Vietnam) It also increased the "kill ratio". However, now soldiers had to deal with the effects of kiling another human being later on in thier lives. (A better alternative, since they WERE alive - not easy though)
The Ex-military trainer on the program was making a case against modern video games. He said the shoot-em-up type video games were doing exactly what his training program did for young U.S. Marines. (short circuit the natural human tendancy to avoid killing) He thinks this, combined with violent videos and movies are major causes of violence in our soceity and school shootings in particular.
Are men and women really so different? Some of the toughest marines in WWII "choked" when faced with the prospect of shooting a human being.
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BillyB,
There are different kind of stick sparring. I have heard of folks engaging in full contact sparring (more like "challenges) with rattan and no gear. Next step down is the Dog Brothers' approach -- light fencing masks and hockey or batting gloves, and anything goes until one of the other gives up, or time expires. World Escrima/Kali Association (WEKA) uses specially developed padded body gear and helmet/masks and spar with light rattan sticks. WEKA doesn't allow for thrusts, knee shots or grappling. Then there is the informal dojo sparring with padded sticks with or without protective gear (but definitely goggles) and without and without various rules around targets, grappling and "live hand" hits.
The special you saw involved Col. David Grossman and his book, On Killing. The book is a good read. Various threads in Van sensei's forum had dealt a bit with this book.
david
There are different kind of stick sparring. I have heard of folks engaging in full contact sparring (more like "challenges) with rattan and no gear. Next step down is the Dog Brothers' approach -- light fencing masks and hockey or batting gloves, and anything goes until one of the other gives up, or time expires. World Escrima/Kali Association (WEKA) uses specially developed padded body gear and helmet/masks and spar with light rattan sticks. WEKA doesn't allow for thrusts, knee shots or grappling. Then there is the informal dojo sparring with padded sticks with or without protective gear (but definitely goggles) and without and without various rules around targets, grappling and "live hand" hits.
The special you saw involved Col. David Grossman and his book, On Killing. The book is a good read. Various threads in Van sensei's forum had dealt a bit with this book.
david
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Billy B: Raffi sensei has been at camp and visited us in Virginia on four occasions. We had so much fun with the stick sparring that we acquired a few goalie masks and some good lacrosse gloves. About $20 worth of PVC pipe, pipe insulation and tape resulted in four pairs of sticks in two diameters. The mask and gloves were about $75 a set on sale but having good head protection really sets you free to go at it.
A good whack to the head will ring your ears but we have not drawn blood. Also, lesser gloves would work but even padded, the sticks could probably crack a finger. Aside from a cup I wear no other protective gear. That way, you really feel the blows and parries, and quickly get accustomed to the feel of a good hit.
On occasion I will let the ladies that are new to martial arts attack me with a stick. I really egg them on. Once I get them going I really get a beating. I use a stick only for defensive purposes. The younger the person, though, the less it takes to get them going.
Maybe I'll bring some of this stuff to camp this summer.
Rich
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A good whack to the head will ring your ears but we have not drawn blood. Also, lesser gloves would work but even padded, the sticks could probably crack a finger. Aside from a cup I wear no other protective gear. That way, you really feel the blows and parries, and quickly get accustomed to the feel of a good hit.
On occasion I will let the ladies that are new to martial arts attack me with a stick. I really egg them on. Once I get them going I really get a beating. I use a stick only for defensive purposes. The younger the person, though, the less it takes to get them going.
Maybe I'll bring some of this stuff to camp this summer.
Rich
[This message has been edited by RACastanet (edited April 29, 2000).]
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David, to get to Raffi's on a Monday night would be a real treat. His team of students are very aggressive while at the same time exhibit utmost control.
Raf, I know we haven't been there for awhile, but my students seem to want to take breaks from their nights now that I have started doing Van's TC thing with them.
I'll bet you do get many earfulls of boastful talk at Clyde's.
See ya Tuesday.
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Raf, I know we haven't been there for awhile, but my students seem to want to take breaks from their nights now that I have started doing Van's TC thing with them.
I'll bet you do get many earfulls of boastful talk at Clyde's.
See ya Tuesday.
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As usual the forum regulars don't dissapoint!
Thanks guys! I think I sidetracked the thread a bit though.....
Something I was considering this morning as I was reviewing a book I have on Jiu jitsu. (Jiu Jitsu white belt to green belt by professor Robert Clark) There are a few ways to break "ground strangles" in there. As I was studying them I was thinking "why don't our Uechi bunkai adress being mounted on the ground? (Some of the "jiu jitsu" ground defenses looked remarkably like Uechi kata!) It seems if we are to discuss defense against rape, it should include bunkai which is realistic to the situation. I wonder what a Samurai master would have taught his daughter about rape defense, and how? I'll bet the samurai did not practice how to defend against rape! Yet, I'll also wager certain individuals with knowledge have handed down good bunkai to the ones they love! I may have a daughter someday. This interests me.
Thanks guys! I think I sidetracked the thread a bit though.....
Something I was considering this morning as I was reviewing a book I have on Jiu jitsu. (Jiu Jitsu white belt to green belt by professor Robert Clark) There are a few ways to break "ground strangles" in there. As I was studying them I was thinking "why don't our Uechi bunkai adress being mounted on the ground? (Some of the "jiu jitsu" ground defenses looked remarkably like Uechi kata!) It seems if we are to discuss defense against rape, it should include bunkai which is realistic to the situation. I wonder what a Samurai master would have taught his daughter about rape defense, and how? I'll bet the samurai did not practice how to defend against rape! Yet, I'll also wager certain individuals with knowledge have handed down good bunkai to the ones they love! I may have a daughter someday. This interests me.
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This may be off track a little bit, but let me relate a story to yooze guys.
Back in 1986, I was under the watchful eyes of Sensei Jean Guy-Levesque in Canada. For those of you who do not know him, he is a very intense individual who is about as dedicated to his goals as anyone I have ever met. He is incredible! Anyway, he teaches his students much the same way. To make this long story short, he went to Okinawa in 83 along with a group of American karate-ka (not of Uechi) and for one reason or another (too long to get into) was treated unfairly and sent to Koza Dojo to train with Yonamine sensei and his crew. Needless to say, he were treated to lunch (and everything else). He told me he couldn't walk for two days.
He came back from Okinawa and promised never to let that happen again. He trained and trained and went back a year later and again went to Koza and faired better. The next time he went back (86)he was banging them up. Well, he brought with him several students of his, one being a women, who were being trained as hard as he was training. In fact, the woman (Eva), tested for her Shodan while there and passed and was so impressive that one of the board members (I don't remember his name) gave her his belt. WOW!
Anyway, back to the real story. In 86 I went up to Canada with a few of my students and one of my old senseis. After the grueling 13hr trip, we put on our gis and proceeded to work out. Of course, we couldn't really keep up with the intense regime that Sensei Levesque taught, however, we didn't give up. When it came down to body conditioning, we all lined up facing one of Sensei Levesque's students. I course was the luckiest of them all and was opposite Sensei Levesque (I still have the bruises to prove it). My old sensei was right beside me and lined up with Eva. He leaned over to me before we started and whispered to me: "I lucked out. I got the broad." He obviously didn't know and I wasn't going to tell him. The only thing I heard for the next 20 minutes was the pain being delivered three feet from me. I wanted to tell him, but, oh well, I forgot (tee hee).
That one lesson made me believe to never underestimate anyone, especially a woman!
sorry about the length,
mike
Back in 1986, I was under the watchful eyes of Sensei Jean Guy-Levesque in Canada. For those of you who do not know him, he is a very intense individual who is about as dedicated to his goals as anyone I have ever met. He is incredible! Anyway, he teaches his students much the same way. To make this long story short, he went to Okinawa in 83 along with a group of American karate-ka (not of Uechi) and for one reason or another (too long to get into) was treated unfairly and sent to Koza Dojo to train with Yonamine sensei and his crew. Needless to say, he were treated to lunch (and everything else). He told me he couldn't walk for two days.
He came back from Okinawa and promised never to let that happen again. He trained and trained and went back a year later and again went to Koza and faired better. The next time he went back (86)he was banging them up. Well, he brought with him several students of his, one being a women, who were being trained as hard as he was training. In fact, the woman (Eva), tested for her Shodan while there and passed and was so impressive that one of the board members (I don't remember his name) gave her his belt. WOW!
Anyway, back to the real story. In 86 I went up to Canada with a few of my students and one of my old senseis. After the grueling 13hr trip, we put on our gis and proceeded to work out. Of course, we couldn't really keep up with the intense regime that Sensei Levesque taught, however, we didn't give up. When it came down to body conditioning, we all lined up facing one of Sensei Levesque's students. I course was the luckiest of them all and was opposite Sensei Levesque (I still have the bruises to prove it). My old sensei was right beside me and lined up with Eva. He leaned over to me before we started and whispered to me: "I lucked out. I got the broad." He obviously didn't know and I wasn't going to tell him. The only thing I heard for the next 20 minutes was the pain being delivered three feet from me. I wanted to tell him, but, oh well, I forgot (tee hee).
That one lesson made me believe to never underestimate anyone, especially a woman!
sorry about the length,
mike
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Allen,
Thanks for the complement. I am pretty proud of my students. And not just on Monday nights. Since you are doing the tc thing with them now, I'll expect your guys to be "whoopin butt" at their next visit.
Raf
Thanks for the complement. I am pretty proud of my students. And not just on Monday nights.
Since you are doing the tc thing with them now, I'll expect your guys to be "whoopin butt" at their next visit.Raf
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Stickfighters,
Don't want to sidetrack the thread here. Could we get a thread going on Elkins-Sensei's forum? I have some more questions relative to injury in weapons sparring for you guys.
Don't want to sidetrack the thread here. Could we get a thread going on Elkins-Sensei's forum? I have some more questions relative to injury in weapons sparring for you guys.
