I hope you guys dont flame on me on this but is there any thing in real life where a group of good fighters form to see whos the strongest fighter.
i know there is Pride fighting in jp which is simular to UFC.. there is also shoot boxing but anything at a high level also.
i know how hollywood can exugerate but the Kumite is real according to the movie and there was really a frank dukes... is this still going on if this is true.. and is there a tournament that close resembles this type of competition. where there is no padding even?
i know that Kumite is a basic form of sparing
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Interesting question, but I don't think there is a single answer. A person who is best in the octagon, may not fare well in a dark alley. Also, you have the question of allowable techniques. I don't believe the UFC or other bloodsports will ever evolve to the point where eye gouges are used.
So. . . with all this in mind, I would give the new UFC challenges four stars out of a possible five, regarding realistic barefisted brawling. Susan taped four hours on pay-per-view two weeks ago and I must say, if bloodsports is your cup of tea, this should satisfy you.
You won't see a Graci winning one of these. The candidates all look pretty much alike. . . the toughest, meanest and best trained individuals I've ever seen. Each loves getting hit and longs to "put the hurt" on his opponent.
You get to see lots of new faces, since most fighters. . . winners and especially losers. . . don't last long in this business.
Also, if any of you want to really test your skills, by all means send in your name. The UFC is definitely looking for "Fresh Meat"!
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So. . . with all this in mind, I would give the new UFC challenges four stars out of a possible five, regarding realistic barefisted brawling. Susan taped four hours on pay-per-view two weeks ago and I must say, if bloodsports is your cup of tea, this should satisfy you.
You won't see a Graci winning one of these. The candidates all look pretty much alike. . . the toughest, meanest and best trained individuals I've ever seen. Each loves getting hit and longs to "put the hurt" on his opponent.
You get to see lots of new faces, since most fighters. . . winners and especially losers. . . don't last long in this business.
Also, if any of you want to really test your skills, by all means send in your name. The UFC is definitely looking for "Fresh Meat"!
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The "kumite" depicted in Bloodsport does not exist. It's all bs. Frank Dux is a liar and a fraud. His military record is a sham, and his "martial art" is about as real as the tooth fairy.
There was a Van Damme movie where he travelled through time, but that doesn't mean time travel exists either.
Last I checked, the UFC fighters wear gloves, have rounds, professional trainers, etc. It is a SPORT, ladies and gentleman. An intense sport, a potentially dangerous sport (though Boxing is a hell of a lot more dangerous), but a SPORT, nonetheless.
They are not looking for "fresh meat", they are looking for PROFESSIONAL FIGHTERS. The guys who fight at that level are very skilled, and train very hard. Some of them full time. You will not just sign up and walk into one of these. Maybe when it first started, but not any more.
There ARE recurring fighters, as well as newcomers. They have consistent title holders, and those people defend those titles.
I think the Gracies did the MMA world a great disservice by marketting the first UFC's the way they did. It is no more a "bloodsport" than any other kind of combat sport.
Some of the nicest people I know are MMA fighters. Including one at a pro level.
Pride is also a professional level event. So are some shootboxing matches.
In Brazil and some other countries, there are "Vale Tudo" type events, where no gloves are worn.
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There was a Van Damme movie where he travelled through time, but that doesn't mean time travel exists either.
Last I checked, the UFC fighters wear gloves, have rounds, professional trainers, etc. It is a SPORT, ladies and gentleman. An intense sport, a potentially dangerous sport (though Boxing is a hell of a lot more dangerous), but a SPORT, nonetheless.
They are not looking for "fresh meat", they are looking for PROFESSIONAL FIGHTERS. The guys who fight at that level are very skilled, and train very hard. Some of them full time. You will not just sign up and walk into one of these. Maybe when it first started, but not any more.
There ARE recurring fighters, as well as newcomers. They have consistent title holders, and those people defend those titles.
I think the Gracies did the MMA world a great disservice by marketting the first UFC's the way they did. It is no more a "bloodsport" than any other kind of combat sport.
Some of the nicest people I know are MMA fighters. Including one at a pro level.
Pride is also a professional level event. So are some shootboxing matches.
In Brazil and some other countries, there are "Vale Tudo" type events, where no gloves are worn.
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Jake Steinman-san,
Aww shoot! I CAN'T get in my TARDIS and time travel?! BOY! Will the Doctor be upset!
As to Frank Dukes (or however he spells it), I always wondered why a SOUTHEAST ASIAN tournament name itself with a JAPANESE name, especially as the Japanese are NOT well liked in that part of the world. I spotted THAT one the moment I heard them use the term in the movie.
With tongue (or is that "tong?") firmly in cheek,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jake Steinmann:
The "kumite" depicted in Bloodsport does not exist. It's all bs. Frank Dux is a liar and a fraud. His military record is a sham, and his "martial art" is about as real as the tooth fairy.
There was a Van Damme movie where he travelled through time, but that doesn't mean time travel exists either.
Aww shoot! I CAN'T get in my TARDIS and time travel?! BOY! Will the Doctor be upset!
As to Frank Dukes (or however he spells it), I always wondered why a SOUTHEAST ASIAN tournament name itself with a JAPANESE name, especially as the Japanese are NOT well liked in that part of the world. I spotted THAT one the moment I heard them use the term in the movie.
With tongue (or is that "tong?") firmly in cheek,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jake Steinmann:
The "kumite" depicted in Bloodsport does not exist. It's all bs. Frank Dux is a liar and a fraud. His military record is a sham, and his "martial art" is about as real as the tooth fairy.
There was a Van Damme movie where he travelled through time, but that doesn't mean time travel exists either.
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Jake: I misread the initial question. . . This often happens before my second cup of coffee!
I scanned the post and thought the question was which fighting test was the most realistic.. or something like that.
Anyway, I don't believe I misread your response. . Are we watching the same UFC matches on TV? The one I watched last week was pretty gruesome. The rules allowed just about everything short of a downward elbow strike and eye gouges. The participants were all new to me, but of course I haven't watched one of these matches in quite a while. And there were quite a few more knockouts than "tapouts". (Which makes me wonder how much safer than boxing these matches are.) I don't believe the gloves most were wearing (some were barefisted) qualify as a protective device for the opponent. They look more like a glove used to hit a heavy bag.
There was lots of "trash" talk. . . very similar to what we see on professional 'rassling. . . Guess that's where the real money is.
I'm sure all the fighters were nice people, but most were definitely playing a role before and after their matches.
I'm sure it's illegal to post any clips, but if you want to join me for a beer some night, I'll show you the tape and you can explain how I misrepresented the UFC.
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I scanned the post and thought the question was which fighting test was the most realistic.. or something like that.
Anyway, I don't believe I misread your response. . Are we watching the same UFC matches on TV? The one I watched last week was pretty gruesome. The rules allowed just about everything short of a downward elbow strike and eye gouges. The participants were all new to me, but of course I haven't watched one of these matches in quite a while. And there were quite a few more knockouts than "tapouts". (Which makes me wonder how much safer than boxing these matches are.) I don't believe the gloves most were wearing (some were barefisted) qualify as a protective device for the opponent. They look more like a glove used to hit a heavy bag.
There was lots of "trash" talk. . . very similar to what we see on professional 'rassling. . . Guess that's where the real money is.
I'm sure all the fighters were nice people, but most were definitely playing a role before and after their matches.
I'm sure it's illegal to post any clips, but if you want to join me for a beer some night, I'll show you the tape and you can explain how I misrepresented the UFC.
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well at the end it said it was based on a true story.. that why I wasnt sure if they were tellin the truth.. so i asked..
also UFC originally allowed bare hands but some fighter choose not to and whore gloves because they didnt want to risk breaking their hands.
head bunting was also allowed b4 but now its not. they wanted grappling to be more of a factor because alot of the grapplers were getting head bunted.
I guess bare hands and head bunting isnt allowed any more because its too leathel to use your barehands.
I believe the elbow isnt allowed as well because thats the most or one of the most leathal part of the body you can use.
also UFC originally allowed bare hands but some fighter choose not to and whore gloves because they didnt want to risk breaking their hands.
head bunting was also allowed b4 but now its not. they wanted grappling to be more of a factor because alot of the grapplers were getting head bunted.
I guess bare hands and head bunting isnt allowed any more because its too leathel to use your barehands.
I believe the elbow isnt allowed as well because thats the most or one of the most leathal part of the body you can use.
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whore gloves
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Nope, not gonna go there, nope, nope, nope....
Okay, so I just did.
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whore gloves
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Nope, not gonna go there, nope, nope, nope....
Okay, so I just did.
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George,
Maybe it was one of the older UFC's? Maybe I'm confusing it with a different event? Maybe it's a different event? I'm not sure. It sounds like it might have been one of the IVC (Internation Vale Tudo...something or other...) events.
I also haven't seen such an event in a while (I don't even have cable, let alone pay-per view), but the taped matches I've seen recently, the fighters were wearing gloves. I know they've disallowed kicking a man while he's down (so called "soccer kicks"), and a bunch of other stuff as the sport evolved.
The older versions were closer to the brazillian "Vale Tudo" type matches...which have a lot fewer rules.
From the video shots I have seen of recent fights, MMA is evolving into a sport on the level of boxing or kickboxing..which is, frankly, a good thing.
Personally, I think boxing is FAR more dangerous. You can quit in MMA any time you're in danger. In boxing, the only way out is down (as the expression goes).
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Maybe it was one of the older UFC's? Maybe I'm confusing it with a different event? Maybe it's a different event? I'm not sure. It sounds like it might have been one of the IVC (Internation Vale Tudo...something or other...) events.
I also haven't seen such an event in a while (I don't even have cable, let alone pay-per view), but the taped matches I've seen recently, the fighters were wearing gloves. I know they've disallowed kicking a man while he's down (so called "soccer kicks"), and a bunch of other stuff as the sport evolved.
The older versions were closer to the brazillian "Vale Tudo" type matches...which have a lot fewer rules.
From the video shots I have seen of recent fights, MMA is evolving into a sport on the level of boxing or kickboxing..which is, frankly, a good thing.
Personally, I think boxing is FAR more dangerous. You can quit in MMA any time you're in danger. In boxing, the only way out is down (as the expression goes).
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I'll have to pull a few short clips out of that tape... Head butts was allowed, kicking someone while on the ground was not only legal, but a very popular move. These guys were BIG... and TOUGH... If someone just showed me these fight films without telling me where they were taken, I'd of sworn they were secret Prison matches. . . you know the ones where the guards organized them and the warden had his friends over to watch!
And it was the new UFC!
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And it was the new UFC!
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