Bravo! I know I am personnally just scratching the surface in exploring the primitive and instinctual but scratchin sure feels good.but why ignore or even downplay the more primitive and instinctual if it is part of being a whole person? Integrate it, control it, use it to enhance the inner fire that enlivens our practice and our day to day lives... just don't misuse it. (Remember the ad for Hai Karate aftershave; "Be careful how you use it!")
Abusing Uechi-ryu
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It is difficult to work on one's instinctive center(s)
Too often we confuse what is truly instinctive(in man) with other things such as emotions, feelings, reflexes, and thoughts. The functions of the body, the mechanical aspects or whatever you choose to term them, are usually instinctive,if not mechanical(chemical,physiological,etc.) and difficult to really alter directly. We therefore turn to what is often called body control, mental or thought control, etc. This means working on the body motions,such as in martial arts or yoga or similar systems, and on the mental functions(mind,imagination(creative)etc. and the emotional responses or feelings. To achieve some sort of balance and harmony between these centers is difficult for most of us and so we tend to become lopsided,focusing on one function over the other. We can see such in those who are artists, scientists, athletes,etc. Also we tend to confuse feelings with thoughts and thoughts with feelings or take them as being interchangeable. Well, enough 'food for thought'.Thanks for your time. Halford at http://arnis.homestead.com
Effort is needed to change and alter these things!
I should have added in this post that we can, of course, alter some things in ways that include chemicals or drugs, pharmaceuticals,etc. or alcohol, sex,etc. but the results are not necessarily what we expect them to be, especially over the years as many have found out,in their folly usually, and to their detriment. The 'traditional' WAYS to accomplish these things, that is, work on instincts, mental,emotional, physical, and sexual functions requires a good deal of effort,effort that is not usually sustainable beyond extremely short periods of time for nearly everyone who has tried such. The Teachers of the 3 WAYS: yoga, religion, and fakir(ism) and of the other Way,the WARRIOR WAY, are needed to direct the neophyte and one has to accept all the rigors of such disciplines before one really knows what one can be or accomplish! Most of us do not want to enter these Ways in the only manner in which they can be truly entered: a complete surrender, committment,etc. or to give up the life we now lead for something that we cannot feel will take us anyway(NIrvana,for example). Therefore, it is always better to start any changes or efforts or alterations from where we are presently in life, that is, where we find ourselves, and this is perhaps the most difficult spot to be in! For then, we, not the teachers of the Ways, are responsible for the results of our actions and deeds and efforts. Well, there is more to this than what is said here, obviously. Have to dash now but I wanted to make this a bit clearer when it comes to controlling or altering or even studying our instincts,which we sometimes do not trust and do not understand but seem to always label,"primitive".Halford
It is my experiance that most people who excel in Uechi and other such traditional styles do so because they have self control and self motivational skills, or are able to learn them. I have seen people enter training who were only there to learn how to kick someones rear, and these hotheads usually didn't last long.
But, like most of you, I have seen some in Uechi who seemed to enjoy hurting people. You wonder about the shcools and teachers these people come from.
It is my belief that once this personality type has been identified, their Sensei should truely focus on the aspects of the art that teach that student to be humble, gracious, and honorable. So how do we teach these people to "Walk softly and carry a big stick"?
Do we return to the "Good old Days" of martial arts when a student was required to sweep the dojo for a year before he was allowed to begin his training? That would put a bullet through the cash cows head, wouldn't it!
hmmm Ethan
But, like most of you, I have seen some in Uechi who seemed to enjoy hurting people. You wonder about the shcools and teachers these people come from.
It is my belief that once this personality type has been identified, their Sensei should truely focus on the aspects of the art that teach that student to be humble, gracious, and honorable. So how do we teach these people to "Walk softly and carry a big stick"?
Do we return to the "Good old Days" of martial arts when a student was required to sweep the dojo for a year before he was allowed to begin his training? That would put a bullet through the cash cows head, wouldn't it!
hmmm Ethan
Halford,
You a true philosopher….
Kidding aside, my view has always been, backed up by experience, that once a “donkey” always one.
I have not really found that the “martial way” has changed most people’s basic personalities, in fact, it has turned them into some real basket cases of omnipotent, all knowing bores, who would sh** their pants in a real street fight.
You a true philosopher….
But today he would use vacuum cleaners, Ethan; kicking up dust mites in the dojo is not healthy.Do we return to the "Good old Days" of martial arts when a student was required to sweep the dojo for a year before he was allowed to begin his training? That would put a bullet through the cash cows head, wouldn't it!
Kidding aside, my view has always been, backed up by experience, that once a “donkey” always one.
I have not really found that the “martial way” has changed most people’s basic personalities, in fact, it has turned them into some real basket cases of omnipotent, all knowing bores, who would sh** their pants in a real street fight.
Van
I wasn't going to get a mile close to the subject because of the potential of stepping on toes, but what the heck,Thanksgiving or not today is my personal kata workout day and I just finished T'sshing away doing all of our beloved katas three times each. I feel great!! Especially considering the fact that I'll be 59 tomorrow. The whole country is eatting turkey today in celebration of my birthday tomorrow so please be kind.
Joking aside, I have been thinking of the song "Is that all there is?" in more ways than one. Yes, life is going by so it is only logical for me to think that way once in a while. But, during my workout sessions recently, I have been thinking of some of the things that have been said about the so called "Traditionalist" too, and I often asked : Is that all there is?
Is that all there is about karate or Uechi Ryu? Nothing but fighting and throwing our techniques with full power for the knockout effect?
Yes, I started learning karate with that purpose in mind. That was almost 40 years ago. I used to watch the "real" seniors such as VanCanna, Mike Deludi and Al ford with envy back in the Columbus Ave dojo. I wanted to be those guys.
As time went on I always tried to think of better and easier ways to hurt someone. Eveyone who walks by me I was thinking of a great way to do him in. But as time goes by, "hurting someone" isn't in the equation anymore. Nowadays I have been doing more katas than ever. I may not do my katas in the ways the Okinawans believe to be the one and only "true" way, but I do them close enough to be called a "traditionalist" neverthless.
A lot of folks have been making comments in what I would consider as "unfair" toward the so called "traditional Uechi" practitioners. Knocking their t'sshing, the katas, knocking everything close to being "traditional". Yes, I t'ssh and t'ssh when I do my katas, I love it that way. I am a "traditionalist" if that's what it is. I have been t'ssing for so many years that it is normal for me now. Actually not t'issing would be uncomfortable for me now. I also do the "modern" self defense stuff too, you know, the elbows and knees stuff with some ground fighting stuff thrown in --- Yea, I am a "traditional" Uechi Ryu guy and I am proud of it, I do the current self defense stuff too. But, what the heck does "traditional" means?
Before anyone getting bend out of shape and start flaming me and calling me a pu##y for t'sshing and what not, let me also say that I have probably been in more fighting tournaments and cracked more skulls and caused more bloodshed in street fights than a lot of folks, may be more than any of you guys who might want to call me a p#ssy for t'ssing and doing it the "traditional" way.
Opinions are opinions but some of them are being made as statements and facts in the forums. I see certain purposes in t'sshing, I see reasons in not throwing hips and shoulders in every move like Mike Tyson does when he throws his knockout punches, I see reasons in doing Sanchins. But those are my opinions. Everyone has a right to his own opinion but let's not knock those who just so happen feel differently.
Those who knock others in doing katas instead of just the "fighting stuff" may be right to a certain extent. Back "in the old days" the kungfu masters used to test the sincerity of those who want to learn Kungfu by making the students go thru months if not years of "horse stance" and forms similar to our Sanchins, plus some other lengthy forms for a hell of a long time until the students proved that they have the patience and sincerity and worthiness, then the master teach them the "fighting stuff". And as time went by when the students get older and became the masters, they are back to doing the katas again --because fighting just isn't in their equation anymore.
May be I can explain it better in money terms. Let's use investment in mutual funds as a comparision. When I was young and full of p*ss and vinegar, I had 95% stocks and 5% bonds. As I got older, that went to 60% stocks and 40% bonds. Now that I am ready for retirement, it's 40% stocks and 60% bonds. The bonds, in this case, is the katas.
I don't know why am I saying all these. Blame it on the wine with the turkey. Good thing I didn't have to drive home. My apology if I had offended anyone.
Henry
www.selfdefense-lessons.com
so please be kind.Joking aside, I have been thinking of the song "Is that all there is?" in more ways than one. Yes, life is going by so it is only logical for me to think that way once in a while. But, during my workout sessions recently, I have been thinking of some of the things that have been said about the so called "Traditionalist" too, and I often asked : Is that all there is?
Is that all there is about karate or Uechi Ryu? Nothing but fighting and throwing our techniques with full power for the knockout effect?
Yes, I started learning karate with that purpose in mind. That was almost 40 years ago. I used to watch the "real" seniors such as VanCanna, Mike Deludi and Al ford with envy back in the Columbus Ave dojo. I wanted to be those guys.
As time went on I always tried to think of better and easier ways to hurt someone. Eveyone who walks by me I was thinking of a great way to do him in. But as time goes by, "hurting someone" isn't in the equation anymore. Nowadays I have been doing more katas than ever. I may not do my katas in the ways the Okinawans believe to be the one and only "true" way, but I do them close enough to be called a "traditionalist" neverthless.
A lot of folks have been making comments in what I would consider as "unfair" toward the so called "traditional Uechi" practitioners. Knocking their t'sshing, the katas, knocking everything close to being "traditional". Yes, I t'ssh and t'ssh when I do my katas, I love it that way. I am a "traditionalist" if that's what it is. I have been t'ssing for so many years that it is normal for me now. Actually not t'issing would be uncomfortable for me now. I also do the "modern" self defense stuff too, you know, the elbows and knees stuff with some ground fighting stuff thrown in --- Yea, I am a "traditional" Uechi Ryu guy and I am proud of it, I do the current self defense stuff too. But, what the heck does "traditional" means?
Before anyone getting bend out of shape and start flaming me and calling me a pu##y for t'sshing and what not, let me also say that I have probably been in more fighting tournaments and cracked more skulls and caused more bloodshed in street fights than a lot of folks, may be more than any of you guys who might want to call me a p#ssy for t'ssing and doing it the "traditional" way.
Opinions are opinions but some of them are being made as statements and facts in the forums. I see certain purposes in t'sshing, I see reasons in not throwing hips and shoulders in every move like Mike Tyson does when he throws his knockout punches, I see reasons in doing Sanchins. But those are my opinions. Everyone has a right to his own opinion but let's not knock those who just so happen feel differently.
Those who knock others in doing katas instead of just the "fighting stuff" may be right to a certain extent. Back "in the old days" the kungfu masters used to test the sincerity of those who want to learn Kungfu by making the students go thru months if not years of "horse stance" and forms similar to our Sanchins, plus some other lengthy forms for a hell of a long time until the students proved that they have the patience and sincerity and worthiness, then the master teach them the "fighting stuff". And as time went by when the students get older and became the masters, they are back to doing the katas again --because fighting just isn't in their equation anymore.
May be I can explain it better in money terms. Let's use investment in mutual funds as a comparision. When I was young and full of p*ss and vinegar, I had 95% stocks and 5% bonds. As I got older, that went to 60% stocks and 40% bonds. Now that I am ready for retirement, it's 40% stocks and 60% bonds. The bonds, in this case, is the katas.
I don't know why am I saying all these. Blame it on the wine with the turkey. Good thing I didn't have to drive home. My apology if I had offended anyone.
Henry
www.selfdefense-lessons.com
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Ha.. but Henry, just about everyone here today, had a "traditional" meal. So tradition is not so bad, is it? Not unless you over stuff yourself with traditional turkey etc. to the point of flatuence. God forbid some visitor should light up a match in some dojo. 
Get my meaning?
Enjoy the Tsssting...
You are a good man.
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Van
[quote="Van Canna"] Ha.. but Henry, just about everyone here today, had a "traditional" meal. So tradition is not so bad, is it? Not unless you over stuff yourself with traditional turkey etc.------
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Hi Van,
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. I had a great meal except for that stale wine. D#@n, it ruined just about the entire meal.
Henry
www.selfdefense-lessons.com
Ha.. but Henry, just about everyone here today, had a "traditional" meal. So tradition is not so bad, is it? Not unless you over stuff yourself with traditional turkey etc.------quote]
Hi Van,
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. I had a great meal except for that stale wine. D#@n, it ruined just about the entire meal.
Henry
www.selfdefense-lessons.com
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Rick Wilson
Hi Henry:
This may ramble a little. I hope it comes out the way I want it.
Your post reflects a number of comments lately and so my response here may be inspired by your post but is not always a direct reply to it.
There seems to be a great misconception that people cannot disagree on these forums. Many seem to disagree all the time.
What I do see is that some of the people who feel they cannot disagree are actually upset because the other side simply does not capitulate and agree with THEM once they have stated their opinions. The other side often asked for some kind of rational for the opinions or simply challenges their opinions.
The purpose of a discussion forum, to me anyway, is one of debate and discussion. Therefore topics are raised. Beliefs and subjects are challenged. People can either step up and defend their positions or not.
Yes there are many of us who believe very strongly and are not shy about what we believe. And I would not disagree that sometimes we could be more tactful in the statement of our opinions. But I think there have been many, many threads where agreement is simply not reached and it was done after good heated (for sure heated) debate with no harm and no foul.
Strong personalities generate strong opinions and strong discussion. I have told my students to look at posting on the forums as another form of conditioning. You will get roughed up a little. You may get bruised and sore but it the end you are stronger for it.
“But, what the heck does "traditional" means?”
Good question. From what I have seen lately, if I claim to be a traditionalist I get to claim moral superiority. (Henry, I am NOT referring to your post here but others.)
You see I feel I am a traditionalist in how I see martial arts after reading as many histories of the styles as I can. I see them as constantly evolving entities that continually seek improvement. This differs from many people’s opinions of what a traditionalist is but to me it is what is reflected in the histories of the creations of our art.
“A lot of folks have been making comments in what I would consider as "unfair" toward the so called "traditional Uechi" practitioners. Knocking their t'sshing, the katas, knocking everything close to being "traditional".
My first thought is then step up and debate.
My second thought is what do you mean by everything close to being traditional because as you can see above I have a different opinion on it. I do not consider drills to written in stone or sacred traditions.
As for the t'sshing, my teacher David Mott does this with a qigong purpose to work explosive reverse breathing (read compression) as well as some deeper Qigong purposes.
So when some question, knock or disrespect the t’sshing, why not jump on and explain why you do it. Discuss and debate.
I was originally told it was so that the instructor could hear when you breathed. Well, sorry, pretty poor reason (in my mind anyway.)
David does things with the t’ssh that I cannot do, or even understand yet. I certainly do not question his practice of it because it is purposeful.
If a person’s response is “I just like to do it that way.” Well, okay. But that about ends any discussion. They are absolutely correct that it is their right to do so, and they should feel free to continue to do it. But it won’t go far to convince someone else they should. And there isn’t really anything to debate. (By the way many Okinawans do not do it either.)
Henry, you stated you have reasons for why you do it. Then jump in and present them when someone slams it. They can agree or disagree or you may start them thinking. At a minimum you might just make them gain a little respect for it.
“Is that all there is?”
I see most arts based in the creating of a library of principles (forms) for self protection. Well, in truth most martial arts were not developed for self protection this is a modern adaptation. Martial arts were developed to kill or maim others. However, as they say, with great power comes great responsibility. Over time these martial artists found that this study of life and death resulted in other things.
This is where your answer lies.
I deliberately started two threads on this forum (and others on other forums) in the last few months asking for comments on where the art goes AFTER the self protection end has been addressed. I was seeking the deeper practice and comments from people.
These threads garnered very little response and petered out very quickly. WHY? I mean there seem to be a great number of people these days questioning why the martial end is being focused on and why are the next steps not being discussed.
Then where were all the detractors and why did they not respond to my post or start their own?
Jackie’s forum is set up to have this focus. Max has been making some fascinating posts on his approach to training and development on that forum. But there have been few threads started there. Why?
I personally do believe there is a great deal to be gained through the martial study. There definitely is a higher level of being to get to. But a martial study is a martial study. As David Lowry said if it isn’t then it may be a way but it is not a martial way.
“Opinions are opinions but some of them are being made as statements and facts in the forums. I see certain purposes in t'sshing, I see reasons in not throwing hips and shoulders in every move like Mike Tyson does when he throws his knockout punches, I see reasons in doing Sanchins. But those are my opinions. Everyone has a right to his own opinion but let's not knock those who just so happen feel differently.”
Great lead in for how these forums should (and IMHO do) operate.
Question all statements of opinions made as statement of fact for the reasons behind them.
If you see a purpose in t’sshing then when someone comments on it present your reasons why you do it.
If you have a different opinion on the body mechanics of the strikes then express them and why. (I don’t do my strikes as you described and would explain why as well.)
I happen to do most of my Kata very slowly trying hard to listen to each and every movement to feel and understand it better. There are many ways to generate power and some will do their forms differently because of this. I think discussions on these methods only improve our Kata.
I also happen to believe I can experience other deeper things doing my Kata this way. I also let loose with my Kata. I believe kata to be very versatile in how they can be explored. I would disagree with someone not using any body mechanics, and I would say so. They would be free to disagree, wrong, but free to be wrong.
“Those who knock others in doing Katas instead of just the "fighting stuff" may be right to a certain extent.”
Well there have even been some who knock Kata altogether. I am not one of them but they have been around. I think there is a question of how you do your kata and whether just doing Kata is enough to prepare you for the streets.
When you read about the old style training, be it Chinese or Japanese, the forms were taught differently than today. They would teach a move and then have you explore the applications of that move over and over. Then the next move etc. Only after having learned all the moves and having explored the use of these moves did they get put together into a Kata.
So, when they practiced their kata they did so to work the principles they had a deep knowledge of application for. So for them the practice of kata was the practice of the principles of application. Doing just forms from that point on was something very different from just doing forms today.
It was the introduction of karate into the elementary schools that changed this teaching technique. It then became you taught the entire Kata and the applications were to be learned latter when the kids could handle the violent nature of training in a martial art.
So, yes some question today whether just doing forms is enough because many people just doing forms haven’t had the foundation of application behind the practice.
So, Henry, as you can see there would be many opportunities for discussion on the points you raised. And with your experience and time in the study I think you would have much to add to the discussions. (I also have read you posts before so I already know that to be true.)
So for everyone lurking out there, if you disagrees say so and back it up with discussion and reasons. If someone is just expressing opinion question their basis for it.
Get involved in the forums and the debate.
Take a few shots and give a few shots. Have some fun.
Okay I think I have rambled on enough. I hope I haven’t offended anyone but I am sure there are a few out there I have. Feel free to express any disagreement. But I don’t have to agree with you either.
This may ramble a little. I hope it comes out the way I want it.
Your post reflects a number of comments lately and so my response here may be inspired by your post but is not always a direct reply to it.
There seems to be a great misconception that people cannot disagree on these forums. Many seem to disagree all the time.
What I do see is that some of the people who feel they cannot disagree are actually upset because the other side simply does not capitulate and agree with THEM once they have stated their opinions. The other side often asked for some kind of rational for the opinions or simply challenges their opinions.
The purpose of a discussion forum, to me anyway, is one of debate and discussion. Therefore topics are raised. Beliefs and subjects are challenged. People can either step up and defend their positions or not.
Yes there are many of us who believe very strongly and are not shy about what we believe. And I would not disagree that sometimes we could be more tactful in the statement of our opinions. But I think there have been many, many threads where agreement is simply not reached and it was done after good heated (for sure heated) debate with no harm and no foul.
Strong personalities generate strong opinions and strong discussion. I have told my students to look at posting on the forums as another form of conditioning. You will get roughed up a little. You may get bruised and sore but it the end you are stronger for it.
“But, what the heck does "traditional" means?”
Good question. From what I have seen lately, if I claim to be a traditionalist I get to claim moral superiority. (Henry, I am NOT referring to your post here but others.)
You see I feel I am a traditionalist in how I see martial arts after reading as many histories of the styles as I can. I see them as constantly evolving entities that continually seek improvement. This differs from many people’s opinions of what a traditionalist is but to me it is what is reflected in the histories of the creations of our art.
“A lot of folks have been making comments in what I would consider as "unfair" toward the so called "traditional Uechi" practitioners. Knocking their t'sshing, the katas, knocking everything close to being "traditional".
My first thought is then step up and debate.
My second thought is what do you mean by everything close to being traditional because as you can see above I have a different opinion on it. I do not consider drills to written in stone or sacred traditions.
As for the t'sshing, my teacher David Mott does this with a qigong purpose to work explosive reverse breathing (read compression) as well as some deeper Qigong purposes.
So when some question, knock or disrespect the t’sshing, why not jump on and explain why you do it. Discuss and debate.
I was originally told it was so that the instructor could hear when you breathed. Well, sorry, pretty poor reason (in my mind anyway.)
David does things with the t’ssh that I cannot do, or even understand yet. I certainly do not question his practice of it because it is purposeful.
If a person’s response is “I just like to do it that way.” Well, okay. But that about ends any discussion. They are absolutely correct that it is their right to do so, and they should feel free to continue to do it. But it won’t go far to convince someone else they should. And there isn’t really anything to debate. (By the way many Okinawans do not do it either.)
Henry, you stated you have reasons for why you do it. Then jump in and present them when someone slams it. They can agree or disagree or you may start them thinking. At a minimum you might just make them gain a little respect for it.
“Is that all there is?”
I see most arts based in the creating of a library of principles (forms) for self protection. Well, in truth most martial arts were not developed for self protection this is a modern adaptation. Martial arts were developed to kill or maim others. However, as they say, with great power comes great responsibility. Over time these martial artists found that this study of life and death resulted in other things.
This is where your answer lies.
I deliberately started two threads on this forum (and others on other forums) in the last few months asking for comments on where the art goes AFTER the self protection end has been addressed. I was seeking the deeper practice and comments from people.
These threads garnered very little response and petered out very quickly. WHY? I mean there seem to be a great number of people these days questioning why the martial end is being focused on and why are the next steps not being discussed.
Then where were all the detractors and why did they not respond to my post or start their own?
Jackie’s forum is set up to have this focus. Max has been making some fascinating posts on his approach to training and development on that forum. But there have been few threads started there. Why?
I personally do believe there is a great deal to be gained through the martial study. There definitely is a higher level of being to get to. But a martial study is a martial study. As David Lowry said if it isn’t then it may be a way but it is not a martial way.
“Opinions are opinions but some of them are being made as statements and facts in the forums. I see certain purposes in t'sshing, I see reasons in not throwing hips and shoulders in every move like Mike Tyson does when he throws his knockout punches, I see reasons in doing Sanchins. But those are my opinions. Everyone has a right to his own opinion but let's not knock those who just so happen feel differently.”
Great lead in for how these forums should (and IMHO do) operate.
Question all statements of opinions made as statement of fact for the reasons behind them.
If you see a purpose in t’sshing then when someone comments on it present your reasons why you do it.
If you have a different opinion on the body mechanics of the strikes then express them and why. (I don’t do my strikes as you described and would explain why as well.)
I happen to do most of my Kata very slowly trying hard to listen to each and every movement to feel and understand it better. There are many ways to generate power and some will do their forms differently because of this. I think discussions on these methods only improve our Kata.
I also happen to believe I can experience other deeper things doing my Kata this way. I also let loose with my Kata. I believe kata to be very versatile in how they can be explored. I would disagree with someone not using any body mechanics, and I would say so. They would be free to disagree, wrong, but free to be wrong.
“Those who knock others in doing Katas instead of just the "fighting stuff" may be right to a certain extent.”
Well there have even been some who knock Kata altogether. I am not one of them but they have been around. I think there is a question of how you do your kata and whether just doing Kata is enough to prepare you for the streets.
When you read about the old style training, be it Chinese or Japanese, the forms were taught differently than today. They would teach a move and then have you explore the applications of that move over and over. Then the next move etc. Only after having learned all the moves and having explored the use of these moves did they get put together into a Kata.
So, when they practiced their kata they did so to work the principles they had a deep knowledge of application for. So for them the practice of kata was the practice of the principles of application. Doing just forms from that point on was something very different from just doing forms today.
It was the introduction of karate into the elementary schools that changed this teaching technique. It then became you taught the entire Kata and the applications were to be learned latter when the kids could handle the violent nature of training in a martial art.
So, yes some question today whether just doing forms is enough because many people just doing forms haven’t had the foundation of application behind the practice.
So, Henry, as you can see there would be many opportunities for discussion on the points you raised. And with your experience and time in the study I think you would have much to add to the discussions. (I also have read you posts before so I already know that to be true.)
So for everyone lurking out there, if you disagrees say so and back it up with discussion and reasons. If someone is just expressing opinion question their basis for it.
Get involved in the forums and the debate.
Take a few shots and give a few shots. Have some fun.
Okay I think I have rambled on enough. I hope I haven’t offended anyone but I am sure there are a few out there I have. Feel free to express any disagreement. But I don’t have to agree with you either.
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Stryke
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You see I feel I am a traditionalist in how I see martial arts after reading as many histories of the styles as I can. I see them as constantly evolving entities that continually seek improvement. This differs from many people’s opinions of what a traditionalist is but to me it is what is reflected in the histories of the creations of our art.
** I couldnt agree with this more , This is how i feel , I often think tradition as widely accepted is anything but .... i think it`s a modern label , but once again just my opinion
Thanks for stating it so well Rick
You see I feel I am a traditionalist in how I see martial arts after reading as many histories of the styles as I can. I see them as constantly evolving entities that continually seek improvement. This differs from many people’s opinions of what a traditionalist is but to me it is what is reflected in the histories of the creations of our art.
** I couldnt agree with this more , This is how i feel , I often think tradition as widely accepted is anything but .... i think it`s a modern label , but once again just my opinion
Thanks for stating it so well Rick
As a descendant of the Pilgrims I can say honestly
no one ahs eaten in recent times, the TRADITIONAL THANKSGIVING MEAL that formed what the Pilgrims ate! We are too fastidious and have too little knowledge and experience of hunting, gathering, preparing and cooking our meals in the original sense of such. Some re-enactments and so forth come close,but in modern times, our turkeys are all filled with growth hormones usually,unless we shot a wild turkey,etc. Corn meal mush is also not most persons idea of a traditional dessert,etc. So gather up your cranberries from the bogs, soak them and cook them? So perhaps it is the spirit of the occasion, the idea of such, that is more important than the process by which we achieve that state of understanding and gratitude.
