Fishy project

[benzocaine]

I'm going hunting today Went yesterday

Bill are you in town this weekend? I would like to get out to your school again soon and learn from you if you are able. Can't bring little Ben though as a 360 mile round trip is more than either of us can tolerate right now.

[Guest]

Wish you luck with the hunt!

[benzocaine]

Looks like a girl I knew once Laird...

Thanks. I can't be sure how long I'll be willing to stay in the woods though. The weather calls for rain and I have no rain gear.. yet.

[Guest]

[benzocaine]

Ahhh the Loin

Maybee a little cold rain won't be so bad after all.

This may be my last general firearms day so no trophy hunting today. If it has 4 legs and cloven hooves and a big white tail..well it's dinner.

[Guest]

A garbag bag might keep you dry They don't weigh much in the pack. You have to save your energy for dragging your meat out of the bush.

[benzocaine]

Not pretty, but It's effective.

and for the brush

[Guest]

That will do it! But I'm going to disagree, I think the remington is kind of pretty

[Bill Glasheen]

Bill are you in town this weekend?

No guarantees, Ben. Rich will be holding the fort down. I'll be with sister, dad, and extended family in VA Beach. Might not make it back on time.

Visit soon, and give little Ben a hug for me.

Laird

You're making me hungry!

- Bill

[Glenn]

I wouldn't say, however, that humans have a "role," in the environment. When PETA asks their dogs to eat vegan, that's dumb. But humans have moved beyond biology. We may have been hunter gatherers for the most part, but now we can fly to the moon. We can meet all out needs nonviolently--if we choose. And if they want to live vegan lives, power to em. We're not obligated to fulfill our former role in the environment. This is evident every time we get into our plastic and electronic and refined steel and glass machines and drive to work at computer plants and oil refineries and dam rivers and reshape ecosystems. Those things aren't bad per se, but they illustrate how a little thinking has moved us permanently beyond the laws of the forest.

Trust me, in the end the environment will win. The Sun is part of our environment/ecosystem and all stars have finite life spans. Current estimates are that within 1 billion years the Earth will become uninhabitable due to changes in our middle-aged Sun's life cycle. Within 5 billion years the Sun will swell up to a red giant the size of the orbit of Mars, thus either consuming Earth or ejecting it out of the solar system. Either way, if humanity is still around in a billion years it will need to upgrade that fly-to-the-moon ability into flying to a habitable planet in another solar system, if such a planet can be found or created (or possibly create some non-planet living-arrangement options). And then how long will the new planet or other arrangements last?

Everything is finite...and we are not as far removed as we like to think.

[benzocaine]

Bill,

I'll come some weekend soon when you both are there.. Vicky too if I'm lucky

Laird,

In spite of the rain gear loaned to me I still got wet and only killed time. But i jumped a buckand he was gone before i could pull a shot off -sigh- I only know he was a buck because of the ground he scraped the hell out of.


Well i'll be out there saturday

[IJ]

What I meant, Laird, is that biology is not destiny in the sense that humans do not have to kill to eat. Saying that we have a role in the environment that means we have to eat from a certain link of the food chain makes no sense. I didn't mean to imply that there are no individual humans who still must hunt to live. Nor is hunting necessarily bad even if not required. But there it is: we've got great big brains and we don't have to hunt just because we used to. That's all that's being said. And when I said we've moved beyond biology, well, yeah, the sun will eventually fail. And we clearly live with the environmental mistakes we make (I'm the last person who needs convincing of that. When my parents made orange juice from concentrate canisters, I used to cut off the metal ends, soak off the plastic, and recycle them separately). I'm just speaking on a simpler level: because of biology, the lion must kill. We're beyond that.

[Glenn]

I can kinda see where you're coming from IJ, and you are correct that we do not have to eat from any particular link of the food chain. But we do have to eat from some link in the food chain and no matter what we eat something usually dies as a result.

Your writing implies that we only kill when we eat an animal. As I am sure you realize, anytime you eat a fruit or seed you've killed at least one plant. Even if it is a fruit that we do not eat the seeds of, we generally just throw the seeds away. The green beans and cranberries I had tonight certainly won't produce any new plants. The entire plant tends to be harvested for such edibles as lettuce, celery, carrots, onions, cabbage, etc.

Realistically we also need to consider the health benefits of a diverse diet. Eating only food items that do not result in the death of some organism (if there are any, I'm not thinking of any off hand, excepting that some seeds in our fruits and vegetables have been breed to be inviable) would not be in our best interest for optimal health. In that sense, we are definitely not beyond biology/ecology.

[benzocaine]

Laird,

[Guest]

Man that omelet looks like vomit in a pan.What a minute, it's a pizza in a frying pan. It's got broccoli on it WTF

Good luck hunting today Ben.

Here are some more disgusting veggies to keep you motivated.


What PETA does that's stupid is they assign a morality to what’s on your plate.

Morality does not enter into survival. Anyone who has undergone frequent periods of starvation will realize this.

Many vegans and PETA like to claim they don't have to kill to eat. Well fact is they are blowing air up everyone's arse. These environmentalists in PETA are enviro mental zealots and terrorists. Supporting them is supporting terror.

But the bottom line is these folks are out of step with the ecosystem, the have spent so long in techno land that they no longer see how they fit into the ecosystem. They can not read their own foot prints.

I'll spell it out for you Ian. You are Killing to eat!


Here’s an example:

You get a group of folks in an urban area; the urban area grows consuming farm land. (Urban sprawl) The urban area
still requires the foods that use to grow on the land that it has developed, plus the folks who have settled on this land also require food.

This means that more farm land must be created, more than was originally developed. It is created out of natural areas, much time these natural areas are less fertile than the land that has been developed which means lower yield. Therefore to replace the developed farm land significantly more natural area must be turned into farm land.

This turning of natural areas into farm land destroys all the natural plants and displaces and kills the species that originally occupied them..

Looks like your lentils are not as harmless as you think Ian. Turns out anything we take from the eco system has an impact on another species. Foraging and hunting have an impact. Diverting water ways removing native vegetation have an impact. Bottom line is we compete for resources with every other living thing. Our consumption means another species is coming up short.

Take a look at how the millions live in the urban setting Ian. Almost no one grows their own food.Urban areas contain miles and miles of green lawns and empty roofs. What a waste of resources.

To claim the vegan diet doesn't kill is delusional.

Nothing wrong with a meat free diet, it can be a good thing for many, but to claim moral superiority is just stupid.

I sure would like to have a few PETA fundraisers show up on my doorstep, I’d make them feel just as welcome as the green peace folks.