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The nice thing about science is skepticism. If you don't question it, then a stated belief gets propogated for a long time to no one's benefit. Not questioning the Vatican edict that there were 5 planets to correspond to the 5 holes of the human head didn't get us to the moon, folks... it was someone who stopped assuming what was taught was automatically right. Skepticism brought us evolution and that has advanced our understanding of the world.

Anyway, I enrolled in this crappo class at UVA about science and culture. Basically, a disgruntled anti PC scientist lead an occasional rant against PETA or ID or the call of the day. Half was spot on, half was gibberish (for example, he blasted recycling because it didn't save money (is that the point??) and because reusable diapers generate more of one kind of pollution than throwaways--vice versa for another kind--without comparing the magnitudes of these pollutions.

His goal was for the students to take over the class, and few were intersted, but I set up an ID - evolution debate and ran it two days. The evolution people came horribly underprepared and I did my homework and learned my speeches--and I have to say, blasted the evolution people out of the water. They hadn't thought about how half an eye or half a wing would be of use to an evolving insect, or how certain branches of evolution transformed one species to another in rapid sequence. I took a more defensible tack of poking holes in evolutionary fitness concepts rather than evolution itself, and I avoided the covert motive of promoting a benevolent deity behind the curtain. The prof was thoroughly annoyed at his side for not doing their homework.

My point is that everyone including myself learned a heck of a lot more about evolution in the process of playing devil's advocate and casting a skeptical eye on what, according to some evolutionary biologists, is becoming a religion of its own amongst scientists. And perhaps it is thru ID being taught in mythology, and a critical evaluation of evolution in science class, that we can appreciate the theory more fully.
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Post by Glenn »

Well expect this (and other issues) to get renewed national interest now that Chief Justice Renquist has died and Bush gets to appoint 2 justices. The Supreme Court's majority-view will likely change as a result, and thus lead to some renewed challenges to certain established laws/rulings.
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Post by Griffin »

I'm sure Freud would love all this talk about ID, but would agree that most of the people doing the talking really live in the ego. :wink:
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mikemurphy wrote:
If we all evolved from the apes (not master Uechi of course), then why are there still apes?? ;-)

mike
We didn't evolve from apes. The two branches split millions of years ago; apes to fill one niche, humans another.

It would be a disaster if neanderthals or one of the other branches had survived. Blacks and whites, christians and muslims, etc. can't get along. The last thing we need is another species of humans!

Edit: Which is of course a theory as to what happened to them: killed by us.
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The field is getting crowded. I do not know why I cannot reproduce the web page, but you can type in this address for more. http://www.venganza.org/


OPEN LETTER TO KANSAS SCHOOL BOARD

I am writing you with much concern after having read of your hearing to decide whether the alternative theory of Intelligent Design should be taught along with the theory of Evolution. I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them. I am concerned, however, that students will only hear one theory of Intelligent Design.

Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.

It is for this reason that I’m writing you today, to formally request that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories. In fact, I will go so far as to say, if you do not agree to do this, we will be forced to proceed with legal action. I’m sure you see where we are coming from. If the Intelligent Design theory is not based on faith, but instead another scientific theory, as is claimed, then you must also allow our theory to be taught, as it is also based on science, not on faith.

Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence. What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease.

I’m sure you now realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory. It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this enough, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t.

You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.



In conclusion, thank you for taking the time to hear our views and beliefs. I hope I was able to convey the importance of teaching this theory to your students. We will of course be able to train the teachers in this alternate theory. I am eagerly awaiting your response, and hope dearly that no legal action will need to be taken. I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.

Sincerely Yours,

Bobby Henderson, concerned citizen.

P.S. I have included an artistic drawing of Him creating a mountain, trees, and a midget. Remember, we are all His creatures.
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Get Involved!

The addresses, phone, fax, and emails for the Kansas School Board can be found here. Contact them, and ask that they respond to my letter.

I am hearing reports that some of the members are using email auto-responders. I suggest faxing them. Faxes are harder to ignore.

Contact the media, tell them you support Flying Spaghetti Monsterism. They can't ignore us forever.


INTERESTING EMAILS I HAVE RECEIVED

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More emails added 8/21/05:

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More added 8/29/05:

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And some religious and hate mails here (added 8/29/05)

Current favorite email:

Bobby,

Today I was blessed to receive a divine revelation from our Almighty
Flying Spaghetti Monster. I have the privilege of informing you that
it is His will that I become His Bride, in order that the Savior of
mankind (who is to be called Macaroni) may be born on this earth. The
FSM has revealed to me that your body is to be the vehicle by which
his holy seed shall be transmitted in earthly form.

To that end, I have reserved a room for us at the Best Western Airport
Inn, Boise, Idaho, for the evening of [removed]. I will be
the woman wearing the WWFSMD t-shirt and eye patch.

I look forward to meeting you and fulfilling the will of our noodly master.

Julie
Boise, Idaho

Apparently there may be some problems with the mugs.


Dear Bobby,

I have recently purchased one of your coffee mugs, but it is giving me
no end of grief. Every time I put coffee, hot chocolate, or hot tea in
the mug, it instantly transubstantiates into what I assume is the blood
of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It sort of looks like marinara sauce,
but I'm afraid to taste it. Curiously, when I put wine into the mug,
it just turns into a nice, full-bodied chianti -- beer does the same
thing. Is there any act of sacrifice or ritual that I can perform to
stop these miracles from occurring? While I bask in His greatness and
I am truly awed by His power, I'm also kind of thirsty. Any advice
would be welcome.

Sebastian Wren, Ph.D.

Austin.Texas


Bobby,

I am so glad the word has gotten out, and just in time, too. I am in my second trimester, and I was worried that when I gave birth to our Noodly Savior I would be shunned to the edges of society for giving birth to a fully-grown midgit in pirate regalia.

Yes, I have conceived the spirit of our Divine Lord, and immaculately, I might add. He came upon me while I was eating alone at The Olive Garden one evening this past winter--I was having a delicious meatball lasagna, I remember--and suddenly my eyes were filled with light, and the restaurant around me fell away, and there was nothing but His noodly appendage encircling me, caressing me. I cried out in ecstasy, and then I heard His voice in my ear, whispering to me, "In nine months time you shall give birth to a fully-grown midgit in pirate regalia, and He shall save the world from sin and hate and false notions about evolution and Creation."

I heard singing, and tomato sauce rained from the sky, and I saw angel hair pasta flying about with little farfalle wings and playing harps. It was beautiful. "You shall name Him....Prego...." said the Flying Spaghetti Monster, "and He shall bring in a new era of love and a worldwide following of Pastafarians willing to shed marinara sauce for what they believe."

And His noodly appendage left my trembling, sated body, and the singing faded, and I was once again in The Olive Garden, awaiting the birth of our Savior, Prego, who will deliver us from evil. I paid the check and went home and prayed all night to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. So fear not, Bobby! If Kansas refuses to include our religion in their science curriculum--imagine, survival of the fittest, ha! it is survival of the noodliest, any devout Pastafarian knows that--Prego shall smite those heathens and burn Kansas for all eternity. Ramen!

-Rebecca


DISCUSSION FORUM

Check out the Discussion Forum .

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WHY YOU SHOULD CONVERT TO FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTERISM

Flimsy moral standards.
Every friday is a relgious holiday. If your work/school objects to that, demand your religious beliefs are respected and threaten to call the ACLU.
Our heaven is WAY better. We've got a Stripper Factory AND a Beer Volcano.

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WHAT THE EXPERTS ARE SAYING

"As a scientist, I'd like to say that the currently accepted scientific theory is evolution. But, some competing ideas have been proposed, such as ID and FSMism, and discussion to include one should include the other, as these ideas are equally valid."
-- Mark Zurbuchen, Ph.D.

"As a medical practitioner and scientist, I wholeheartedly believe that every theory and hypothesis needs full consideration and explanation with formal ratification by peer review. We have a duty to inform our schools and presumably pasta should form a staple part of our educational diet."
-- Dr. A. Macintyre (UK)

"Letting the religious right teach ID in schools is like letting the Marines teach poetry in advanced combat training. As a scientist, I see these the relevancy between the two sets to be equal. If Kansas is going to mess up like this, the least it can do is not be hypocritical and allow equal time for other alternative "theories" like FSMism, which is by far the tastier choice."
-- J. Simon, PhD

"One of the hardest things to do as a scientist is to put my personal beliefs aside when discussing matters of science. So as a professional, I have to say that both forms of Intelligent Design - ID and ID-FSM are equally valid and if intelligent design is taught in schools, equal time should be given to the FSM theory and the non-FSM theory. But, speaking personally now, it seems to me the FSM theory is MUCH more plausable than the non-FSM ID theory, because it is the only one of the two that takes into account all the discrepancies between ID and measureable objective reality."
-- Professor Douglas Shaw, Ph.D

"In discussing competing theories, if one is to present ID then it is only fair and logical to teach other theories with commensurate evidence. Based on Mr. Henderson's letter, it is clear that the FSM theory has evidence comparable in weight to ID. As a scientist and professor, it is often difficult to present differing opinions in an unbiased way. However, it is important to the student to be exposed to these ideas to form their own opinions. This comes right out of the handbook of the ID purporters: present the different "theories" and let the listener decide. If those in favor of ID are so convinced, then they should not be concerned that the presentation of the FSM theory would serve to undermine the credibility of ID. "
-- Elizabeth Garrett-Mayer, PhD

"At one time, I believed as the Aztecs did, that the universe was created by two gods, Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca who attacked and ripped apart Hungry Woman to create the universe. Then I believed, as the Moriori do, that the universe was created when Papa and her husband Rangi hugged and bore children, and were subsequently separated by their son Tane who let light shine between them. However, my views have been swayed by the substantial evidence that the earth and universe was actually created relatively recently by the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM). I am firmly convinced that the evidence supporting this depiction of the origins of life, the universe, and everything has many of the trappings of science, and I therefore support the inclusion of FSM creation evidence in the Kansas science curriculum and standards."
-- Sebastian Wren, Ph.D

" One of the most exciting developments in fundamental physics in the last twenty years has been the development of so-called "String Theory." In String Theory, all fundamental sub-atomic particles are visualized and described mathematically as microscopic vibrating strings. Although as yet unproven, many physicists believe that String Theory has the potential to become the long-sought "Theory of Everything," through which the fundamental physical nature of all matter and forces will become understood.

Obviously String Theory IS correct, although misnamed (a secular humanist conspiracy perhaps?). As NOODLE Theory clearly unambiguously reveals, He has created the fundamental subatomic particles that form all matter in this universe in His own quivering image! You, me, the Earth, the stars...everything in the universe...are all built of trillions of tiny jiggling noodles, microscopic copies of our Divine Saucy Maker. Truly He is everywhere and in all things!
Boy-oh-Boyardi and Ramen!"
--Steve Lawrence, PhD

"As a scientist I believe that when presented with a new idea every possibility should be considered so we can eventually find the truth. It would be very biased if the only possibilities presented would be regulated by some authority. As a scientist I am biased towards the theory of evolution, but this does not mean that everyone should be forced to only learn this and believe this. Putting this aside, I feel if the government feels the need to regulate what students need to learn, then all ideas should be taught in school. Not only Intelligent Design (ID) should be taught, but the theory of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) should also be taught. In my scientific opinion when comparing the two theories, FSM theory seems to be more valid then the classic ID theory. There is more data to back FSM then I have ever seen for ID. The graph which was presented should alone more convincing then anything ID has ever presented. I endorse the FSM theory."
--Afshin Beheshti, PhD

"As a scienctist, I think that ID is a form of pseudoscience--nothing more, nothing less. Pseudosciences lack the well-designed and carefully-interpreted experiments which characterize the true sciences. ID is popular because it provides the general public with an easily understood "answer" to nature's complexity. Why is it human nature to try to fill the gaps in science with some form of a deity? Nobel laureate Richard Feynman, in his response the Challenger disaster, wrote, "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." It is too bad that many in the USA have fallen into the ID trap, and are making emotional rather than logical decisions.

That being said, and the more I consider ID and the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) theory, the FSM theory has a lot going for it. First, it should satisfy even the most ardent ID detractors. Secondly, since everyone needs to eat and to believe in something, the FSM theory fulfills these desires. Finally, FSM neatly ties together the many ideas about the creation of the universe. I plan on exposing my students to the FSM theory over a pasta dinner. "
--Elizabeth Cowles, PhD

"MMMMMmmmmm, spaghetti"
--H. Neville, Ph.D.

"As a former art historian, I must say that FSM wins hands down over ID when it comes to the complexity of its iconography. ID has produced little aesthetic response to its point of view. FSM on the other hand has stimulated a spontaneous outpouring of highly expressive art."
--Laura Jones, PhD

"On Science, Evolution and Intelligent Design
What needs to be taught in the schools is how to evaluate scientific evidence, make decisions and think critically. Science is always in flux. New discoveries are always changing our view of current knowledge, refining and fine tuning our view of nature and the world. I came across a factoid the other day that the average Renaissance man encountered in a lifetime the amount of information found in one issue of the New York Times Newspaper. Today, the average person, including the average teenager, is immersed in data from the moment they get up in the morning until they go to bed. They need to be taught skills to help them sort through this amazing morass of information of varying levels of worth. Concrete ?truisms? such as creationism or that relative dressed up in a suit and tie called intelligent design that cannot bend or adapt to new incoming knowledge only do the children of this nation a disservice. Evolution is based on scientific facts. Intelligent design is a form of marketing. The truth must be told."
--Judith Challis, Ph.D.

"The riducule of FSMism by believers in ID is a beautifully ironic hypocracy. It is a classic case of faith-blindness and the worst of intellectual behaviour that can be observed in religion. In this instance the believers in ID run roughshod over the believers in FSMism by claiming their 'Faith' is correct and decrying the FSM 'Faith' as wrong. It is not possible to scientifically qualify 'Faith' and thus a comparison of 'Faith' in this fashion is meaningless and offensive. If no evidence can be provided to support either then both are equally valid or invalid, regardless of how angry or indignant the supporters may be. "
--Andy Parsons, Ph.D.


"As a research scientist, I am strongly in favor of the simplest explanations inferred from empirical data. It's quite clear to me that the evidence for the Flying Spaghetti Monster's creation of the Universe is as good as that for Intelligent Design, as accepted by the Kansas school board. I therefore wholeheartedly support your letter, in that FSMism should get equal treatment under the auspices of the state government."
-- Brock M. Tice


"I hope no one confuses the terrible and naïve notion of ID with what it means to be Christian. In a way, ID represents a very flawed unChristian God who was incompetent to the task of creating capable natural laws, and so resorted to post-creation tinkering, thus giving the impression of supernatural design. Yet, if supernaturalism be called for, then the pasta family of theologies seems the most plausible, and unquestionably the tastiest with cheese."
--Stephen D. Unwin, Ph.D., Author of "The Probability of God" (Three Rivers Press, 2004)


"Few people realize that the very 2nd word in the bible is mistranslated. The original Hebrew says " in A beginning..." whereas most translations say "in THE beginning..." And therein lies the Truth: there was more than one beginning. In fact, there were three: The 1st followed Evolution as discovered by Darwin; the 2nd followed Intelligent Design; but the 3rd and most successful is the present FSMism discovered by you. So, you see, teaching all three is imperative!"
-- Dr. Uriel Goldberg


"Having now perused the many facets of Pastafarianism (and being both a scientist and a specialist in the anthroplogy of religion), I believe that there is great scope for women in this religion. Clearly the FSM has aspects of both male and female, with both "noodly appendages" and two round meatballs which clearly represent the Breasts of the Great Mother Goddess. Given this inclusion of diversity, I feel that Pastafarianism has MORE to offer budding students than ID, which is
notably narrow in its outlook."
--Susan Johnston, PhD


"As a professional paleontologist, I need to emphasize that evolutionary theory has nothing to do with explaining the origin of life. Evolution is the scientific explanation that explains the
diversity of life that we see all around us. It is usually defined very simply as a change in gene frequencies through time. It's not about origins.

Pastafarianism attempts to explain the origins of the universe, and does so with as much or more validity (and more gusto!) than ID creationism. And maybe many people find a sense of ultimate purpose in the universe by believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. But such beliefs are based upon faith, not science. In fact, considering His active distortions of observable data, science cannot comment upon these beliefs at all, and must proceed in it's usual manner -- testing hypotheses based upon observable data. Whether these data have been altered by His Noodliness is moot; a difference which makes no difference is not difference.

Pastafarianism does not constitute a scientific theory, despite it's apparent adherence to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle regarding the interactions of observer and observed. It should not be taught as science ... unless, of course, ID creationism is also taught as science, in which case all bets are off.

Best of luck with your web page. I'm off to The Old Spaghetti Factory for worship."
--E. Scott

"As a neuroscientist and clinical psychologist, I have often been struck by how the brain resembles pasta. Clearly, the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory is worthy of deep thought. Or at least a side order of garlic toast. Which is more than I can say about ID, which, as St. Sigmund taught, should be subservient to EGO (Equally Goofy Observations)."
--James Blackburn, Ph.D.

"A colleague told me of the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

At first, frankly, as a professional astronomer, I was skeptical. What scientific proof does Bobby have of the existence of His Noodlyness, or must I take it on faith alone (as, of course, I do with the theory of evolution).

But then I thought back to one of our pictures taken with the Hubble Space Telescope; you can see it at:

http://heritage.stsci.edu/2002/14/big.html

This picture shows the nebula IC 4406, which as you can see is filled with Noodly structures! Not only does this image scientifically PROVE the existence of the FSM, I believe it shows His home in space."
--Howard Bond, Ph.D.

[note - others believe that He can be found here: http://heritage.stsci.edu/2003/30/big.html . Or, perhaps He is moving around?]

"I have now read and reread the information on Flying Spaghetti Monsterism (FSM) and I have to admit that it is frankly on par with (and in many ways superior to) the alternative proposed by the Kansas School Board. Having been employed by a school district in the state of Utah in the past, I can speak from experience when it comes to the mixture of education and religion. If Intelligent Design (ID) is accepted by the Board we will fight to have FSM accepted as well, and, once this has been accomplished, I am certainly willing to assist in the training of the Kansas school psychologists in the philosophy of FSM, if the ministers and pirates of the Church find me worthy.

As closing note, as a clinical psychologist and newly devoted disciple of FSM, I am going to write and suggest to the APA (American Pasta Association) that we replace the current diagnostic and statistical manual, the DSM-IV, with the FSM-IV. That way if our clients don't like our diagnoses, they can eat them."
--Lynne Anne Daurelle, Ph.D.

"As a historic buildings surveyor I help conserve a number of places of worship during the course of my work. I would draw you and your readers' attention to the sometimes shabby condition of the buildings that Pastafarians frequent to imbibe His wheat-based message. I implore all true believers to instigage a regular Sunday morning pilgrimage to their local all-you-can-worship ristorante or pizzaria. Remember to tip well to ensure these sacred sites are preserved for future generations."
--Matt Green, PhD.

"Although our everlasting faith will survive any scientific falsification, I am proud and honored to present before you the best scientific proof to date of the existance of our lord the FSM. Attached is an electron micrograph obtained in my laboratory of human DNA showing the most blessed signs of HIM. Alas! we are made to His image and the proof is in the DNA. Please note the detail of His noodly appendage. We are so blessed to have him inside of all of us!

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--Santiago Perez, Ph.D

"THE ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT FOR FSM

P1. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a being which has every perfection.
P2. Existence is a perfection.
C. Therefore, the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists.

THE COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT FOR FSM (KALAM STYLE)

P1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause of its existence.
P2. The universe began to exist.
P3. Therefore, the universe has a cause of its existence.
P4. Since no scientific explanation can provide a causal account of the origin of the universe, the cause must be supernatural, i.e. a god.
C1. Therefore, a god exists.
P5. Gods create humans in their own image.
P6. The brains of humans resemble a bowl of spaghetti.
C2. Thus, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the one true god.

ANOTHER ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT FOR FSM

P1. I conceive of a being than which no greater can be conceived.
P2. If a being than which no greater can be conceived does not exist, then I can conceive of a being greater than a being than which no greater can be conceived, namely, a being than which no greater can be conceived *that exists*.
P3. I cannot conceive of a being greater than a being than which no greater can be conceived.
C1. Thus, a being than which no greater can be conceived exists.
P4. If that being does not have a Noodly Appendage, then I can conceive of a being greater that being, i.e. a being *that has a Noodly Appendeage*.
C2. Thus, a being than which no greater can be conceived has a Noodly Appendage.
C3. Therefore, a being than which no greater can be conceived has a Noodly Appendage and exists, that is, the Flying Spaghetti Monster exsits. RAmen!"
--Brian D. Rabern, Department of Philosophy, UC Santa Barbara


"I was directed to your website by a friend, and I am submitting further important evidence about the origins of life as well as FSM... if this isn't proof, then I don't know what sort of evidence you would require.

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--Dr. Donald A. Bryant

"As a former research scientist using carbon dating, I was taken with your explanation of the FSM controlling the mechanics of carbon dating. It now seems obvious to me that the FSM must control the apparent half lives of all other radio isotopes, and similarly manipulates experimental results to produce the ages He wishes us to see. What gives me tremendous respect for the FSM is that He clearly does this with a master plan in mind, such that 'dates' from entirely different isotope systems are all in miraculous agreement with one another. Especially amazing is that samples from geographically different locations, deemed to be from the same geological age on the basis of common fossils produce the same dates. This clever manipulation gives the impression of the evolution of progressively more advanced life forms through time, when the obvious truth is that the smarter creatures ran higher up in the mountains to escape the great [spaghetti sauce?] flood. Clearly the FSM is omnipresent and omnipotent, and carefully rearranges results not to merely befuddle scientists, but to create a carefully sculpted and internally consistent picture of the age and history of the earth such as He wants us to see it. This is truly the hallmark of THE supreme being. Making a watch is nothing in comparison to actually manipulating isotopic ratios. Truly we are blessed to be the product of His Noodly Appendage!"
-- Brandon Beierle, Ph.D.

"As both a minister and a scientist, I agree with you that there is no place in the science curriculum for ID or related pseudo-scientific theories of how humans came to be. Evolution is the scientific explanation for life on earth. If schools are going to include "alternative theories" in the curriculum that are not based upon the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment, then FSMism is as good ID, so I support efforts 100%."
--Rev. E. Wayne Ross, Ph.D.

"I am writing to support the inclusion of FSM in the Kansas school curriculum. Your writings on the teachings of the FSM as creator of the universe are as credible and valid as the views promoted by the followers of ID theory. As a sociologist, I believe that research must also be conducted on the rising popularity of low-carbohydrate diets. I suspect there is a strong correlation between this trend and the persecution of those who support the teachings of FSM. I hope the Kansas School Board will promote inclusion and tolerance by teaching FSM theories."
--Stephannie C. Roy, Ph.D.

"As a geneticist trained in evolutionary biology, I am deeply familiar with most of the substantial scientific uncertainties inherent in evolutionary understanding. These uncertainties, of course, relate
to precise mechanisms, timings, rates and sequences of events, not in the underlying facts of historical and ongoing evolution.

As a scientist, I am also passingly familiar with the uncertainties concerning global warming which also relate to the precise mechanisms, timings, rates and sequences of events, not in the underlying facts of historical and ongoing global warming.

However, until I read your enlightening website, it never occurred to me that these two phenomena might share deeper more profound similarities.

The logical theory you present is highly thought provoking and worthy of great interest. As I believe this is approximately the standard currently being advocated by the Kansas School Board
to warrant teaching in the public schools, I certainly hope these stimulating ideas are taught along side all other theories meeting that standard."
-- David J. Cutler, Ph. D.

"Both the existence and power of His Noodleness have long been recognized -- if sometimes unconsciously -- by many diverse sources. Fortunately, the lucid tools of postmodern analysis can make that evidence visible and irrefutable. Here are just a few examples. (1) Sir Walter Scott's famous line "Oh what a tangled web we weave" contains an unmistakable reference to spaghetti -- the substance of our Lordship. (2) Close observers of human behavior will note that Italians have long de facto recognized pastafarianism as a serious competitor to Catholicism, practicing the former more frequently and with even greater gusto. (3) The song "Yankee Doodle" celebrates His Noodleness, even capturing His amazing ability to create Himself out of a decorated headpiece through a mere change of nomenclature. (4) The very name of the famous Chicago-based Pizzeria Uno embeds a belief in the Oneness of Him. (5) When computer scientists speak of "spaghetti code", their reference to something incomprehensible by humans serves to heighten the gulf between our finite minds and His omniscience, as does (6) the often-heard remonstration "Use your noodle". (7) The common phrase "It went over like a wet noodle" clearly refers to His continual surveyance of all from Above.

With such honorable and compelling credentials, pastafarianism cannot be dismissed out of hand. It is certainly on an equal evidential footing with ID and deserves incorporation into any school curriculum that insists upon teaching ID. Besides, the FSM has the advantage of being much more palatable. "Opt for farfalle, not far-fetched. With Him all things are pastable." "
--Charles E. M. Dunlop, Ph.D.

"When I saw your story on the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I immediately did what any thinking person would do when coming across something published on a website, that is, took it seriously as a valid scientific theory. But any theory, even one so seemingly self-evident as the FSM theory, requires testing, and I realized the data necessary to validate the theory is right on your page. I'm speaking of course of the relationship between pirates and global warming. It seems obvious from your graph that pirates have been actively preventing global warming, and as the number of pirates diminishes, they are less able to influence climate change. But why would pirates be concerned about global warming? Think of every pirate story you've ever read, what do they all have in common? (Well, besides the eye-patches, and the parrots, and the Arrrrgghhs, etc.) Buried treasure. And where is the treasure always buried? On the shore of some uninhabited island. No doubt you can see where this is going - if the climate warms, the sea levels rise, and the pirates can no longer find their treasure which is now underwater. Even their treasure maps would no longer be useful. Does evolutionary theory or Intelligent Design explain this relationship? I think not. So we have a possible, reasonable-sounding explanation for some part of the unconfirmed data you've selectively included in your theory. Our experience with Intelligent Design shows us is all that is needed to elevate anything from a simple hypothetical musing to a legitimate theory which deserves to be taught in the classroom. I hope this helps in your quest to spread the gospel, err, I mean, fundamental scientific law, of FSM to all thinking Kansans and other Americans."
--Dave Williams

"In His infinite wisdom, the Flying Spaghetti Monster understands that, to a scientist, gravity is a theory. While members of the Intelligent Design Institute, the Flat Earth Society, and the Center for the Study of Intelligent Falling have a right to their views, they ought not to expect that their views be taught as science in a public school. The Great Noodly One knows that although faith may provide a moral lens through which to examine the results of scientific inquiry, human beings (and pasta-based deities) would be mistaken to see science as a threat to religion.

Finally, I would add that if Kansas schools (or any other public schools) are going to teach Intelligent Design as science, then they should clearly include the teachings of the First United Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. And, though there will be Pastafarians who disagree with me, I think that these schools should also include the theories of the Reformed Church of Alfredo and of the Cult of Oregano. That said, some ideas are too silly for even the Kansas public schools. For this reason, I would argue that we keep the Church of the Invisible Pink Unicorn out of the science curriculum. I mean, come on, now -- that's ridiculous!"
-- Philip Nel, Ph.D. , Associate Professor of English, Kansas State University

"I am a practicing scientist, trained in drawing conclusions from data. I am happy to attest that the evidence in favor of Flying Spaghetti Monsterism is as compelling as the evidence in favor of any other faith. For this reason, Flying Spaghetti Monsterism should certainly be given equal time in the science classes of any society that wishes to place faith-based teachings on an equal basis with teachings based on scientific evidence. Flying Spaghetti Monsterism may well provide the solid basis on which the good children of Kansas can build a just, rational, and virtuous life."
--Chris Westbury, Ph.D

"In the realm of creation myths, Flying Spaghetti Monsterism provides an incredibly comprehensive explanation for the Universe and life within it. If such myths are to be cast in the guise of theories and taught in science class, it is indeed only fair to teach Flying Spaghetti Monsterism along side other "theories" such as Intelligent Design. If and when this happens, Flying Spaghetti Monsterism is quite likely to become the Creation Education Sensation that sweeps the Nation.

Children everywhere will realize the elegant explanatory power of Flying Spaghetti Monsterism. They will undoubtedly see Intelligent Design and other creation myths as the frauds that they are. This is simply an unavoidable outcome of the logical link between pirates and mathematics which is as follows:

Mathematics is the language of the Universe, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster looks favorably upon pirates. Now, every school kid knows, and many adults have forgotten, that a pirate's favorite subject to study in school is nothing other than...AAAARRRRR-ithmetic!

Coincidence? I think not."
--Gregory Sword, Ph.D

"It occurred to me, while enjoying a carb-tastic bowl of Southeast Asian noodles [note that most of the world's remaining pirates are from this region], that the real-world academic support for Intelligent Design (non-Christian-think-tank) is very slim -- really just two guys. Just looking through your site, it is clear that Flying Spaghetti Monsterism has significantly greater support among the academic community, leaving any school board with little reason to preference the teaching of ID in schools. Certainly, it seems clear that Pastafarianism has at very least the same amount of supporting evidence as Intelligent Design, (as does, unfortunately, my wife's heretical belief in an all-knowing Pizza Squid which, though it can not be dismissed on the basis of available evidence, is clearly wrong.)

Yet it was also revealed to me, by the noodly touch of our divine-alicious creator, that His whimsical deception runs deeper than just faking the fossil record or manipulating the half-life of carbon to screw with paleontologists. No, in addition to falsifying all observable evidence itself, I believe he created the very concepts of reason and logic as an hilarious joke at the expense of those who deny His almighty meatyness. The very tools with which we crudely attempt to discern fact from fiction in the world around us -- the Scientific Method itself -- are clever tricks meant to trick the unfaithful into lives of frustration and bewilderment. It is only when one denounces logic and reason themselves that the saucy veil is lifted, and the noodly Truth is made plain."
--G.S. Barkin, Ph.D, Asst. Professor of Anthropology

"FSM is as good a set of beliefs as any religion. It belongs with ID, creationism, and all other religious beliefs in a comparative religion class. These theories to not try to answer scientific questions. Science asks: what is happening and how is it happening. Science is a process by which we observe and try to understand how things work; theories in science are based on evidence and empirical data. Science does not try to answer anything about who or what made the universe the way it is. Religion, on the other hand, is all about who created the universe and why the universe is the way it is.

FSM is a perfectly valid set of religious tenets and we should respect the beliefs of all Pastafarians and we should respect the religion beliefs of all people. However, the study of religion does not belong in science class."
--Alison Bernstein

"The first bottle of Lambrusco I chugged in High School some 30 years ago washed my full immersion baptism into the Baptist faith away. The second bottle I chugged that night resulted in a pasta "vision" that, sadly, I was too blind and covered in noodles to understand. Now, after a long career as a Biologist and educator, I see the light. If you form a curriculum committee, keep me in mind."
--Jeff Young, Ph.D.

"I'm writing to add my support to your effort to get FSM acceptance in the Kansas science curriculum equal to that given to another religious belief, intelligent design. As a molecular biologist who was raised and attended public school in Kansas, I think I have a fairly good understanding of both evolutionary theory and creationist conjecture.

While I am still learning about FSM and am by no means an expert, my current assessment is that FSM is equally, if not more, scientifically valid as any presentation of ID I have seen to date. To allow Kansas science teachers to present one but not the other to their students is bald-faced religious discrimination, and should not be tolerated.

Of course, the whole situation makes me very sad for the students going through the state's school system now; I fear that people like me, who got a good science education in a "Blue" state and went on to a career in science, will only become more rare, and the environment in such places will spin
into complete scientific illiteracy. I'm happy to support your quest to make as much of a difference in this as you can. Thanks again,"
-- Craig Behnke, Ph.D.

"My friend and I noticed your plea for endorsements from individuals who share both an academic background and faith in the FSM. I'm an academic, but not a scientist, while he is a scientist, but not an academic. We both, however, feel strongly that denying children an education regarding what we know to be the true, noodly nature of the universe is a travesty of human progress. It is apparent to my friend that, from a scientific perspective, no other explanation of existence is conceivable. And he converted to FSMism from atheism. It is apparent to me, as an educator, that to not teach this truth alongside other "theories" of our universe's creation will cause irreparable harm to our children, escalating to the point at which an entire generation will be ignorant to the noodly appendage operating all around them, inevitably plunging the world and all those upon it into a new dark age. Thank you, Bobby Henderson, for offering an alternative to that horrible fate to which the Kansas State Board of Education would subject our society. Thank you, Bobby Henderson, for saving the world."
-- Matthew L. Scully, aerospace engineer
-- Daniel M. Gallagher, M.A., educator

"If intelligent design (ID) is based on science, not faith, then it should fulfill the same criteria as any other scientific theory. One of the most important of these is Occam's Razor, the principle that the best explanation for a given phenomenon is the one which is simplest, or to put it another way, raises the least new questions. Most ID theories fail the test of Occam's Razor, because they do not
define what entity is doing the designing, or they imply that some sort of god is responsible, which raises the question of whether this god actually exists. However, Flying Spaghetti Monsterism explains clearly who the intelligent designer is, and furthermore, unlike the case for god, there is ample experimental proof that spaghetti does actually exist. I therefore recommend that if ID is to be taught in schools, it should be made clear to students that FSM is by far the most plausible of the many competing ID theories. RAmen."
-- S. Bilson-Thompson, PhD (Australia)

"I applaud Mr. Henderson for finally coming forward with a public acknowledgement of our fine religion. Many of you doubt our sincerity and legitimacy and many of you are often unaware of your inadvertant worship. Our most reverend of hymns, "On Top of Spaghetti" is ritualistucally sung by over 75% of the youth of America. Most of these children willingly take of the sacraments of spaghettios. Look into their eyes and you will see the truth. Many have been turned from the true way but He is willing to bring them back into His noodly embrace. As a Doctrate of Comparative Religions, I find it appauling that a small-minded minority is promoting their theories over older more proven scientific principals. May He forgive you for your insolance."
-- Gwendolynn Sue Daniels, PhD.

"As an orientalist trained in anthropology, I can assure you that the Flying Spaghetti Monster-theory is by no means ridiculous. It is, in fact, as solid as Genesis, the Aztec legends or Far Eastern stories about the creation of the world, and it is not more absurd.

It's important that this'll be included in the upcoming new school curriculum - the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory could well incite people to think about the discrepancies of other models. I am surprised people can even think of advocating ID - how will we raise the next generations' scientists without any basical knowledge of facts and theories? Your demand to include the Flying Spaghetti Monster in school curricula is reasonable, not insulting and completely legitimate. FSM-ism would do no harm, and be a tasty alternative for fanatic Christianism."
-- Simon Harrison Chen, Lic. (London, UK)

"Thank you for enlightening the world about the true creator of the universe and everything in it. As a person with a doctorate in Molecular Biophysics and Biochemistry from Yale University (1974) and, thus, a better than average understanding of evolution and Darwinism, I would like to endorse, wholeheartedly, your efforts to get schools to include the REAL truth about ID and about the intelligent designer, none other than the FSM, when they teach ID in their science classes. RAMEN, "
--Ann M. Körner Ph.D.

"I am not only a Ph.D. holder and mathematics professor, but also a
practicing Hindu, long time Christian, devotee of FSM, and wine
connoiseur, but also a part - time crab pot pirate practicing off
Vashon Island, WA., primarily in July.

I can attest that since I have begun my work there the mean
temperature has declined most pleasantly."
--Roy Smith Ph.D



I need more endorsements/evidence from academics. Please email me if you support FSMism.


LATEST NEWS

9/5/05 - The FSM shows his influence in Thailand here

9/4/05 - FSM Sighting at Georgia Tech here

CNN corroborates the pirates vs. temperature relation: Blackbeard's ship tells a tale of environmental change here

NY Times: Show Me the Science. here (registration required)

York Daily Record: looks can be deceiving here

Salt Lake Tribune: Intelligent Design Isn't. here. Thank you Sen. Chris Buttars, for supporting our views: "Sen. Chris Buttars, R-West Jordan, on Friday tells the Board of Education he plans to introduce legislation requiring that intelligent design be a school topic or be placed on next year's ballot as a referendum."

Austin Statesman: Another theory of creation for Kansas Evolution, intelligent design meet Flying Spaghetti Monster. here (registration required).

9/3/05 - Plasmic Studio created an amazing FSM game. You have to see it. here


Fark: Utah Board of Education rejects Flying Spaghetti Monsterism: "Invoking the supernatural can explain anything, and hence explains nothing." here and fark comments here

9/2/05 - The Daily O'Collegian: Red sauce, noodles, chianti, and a side of idiocy here

KVUE Austin: The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster wants a say here

TAIPEI Times: `Pastafarianism' gains prominence and support in intelligent-design drive here

Fark: AudioEdit some hymns for the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Pie Saucus Domine Pasta. RAmen here

9/1/05 - Orlando Weekly mentions Him, with an Illustration here

Plush FSM spotted here (it's awesome. i want it)



Salt Lake Tribune Amid cosmic belief, comic relief here

FSM Article in the Guardian A monster challenge to the dinosaurs here

and another in the Guardian here

Related article, One side can be wrong here

8/31/05 - some more hatemails added here

Spagetti-kirke saksoker Kansas - Norway article here (non-english)

Spanish Article here. El espagueti volador: una alternativa a las teorías creacionistas. Was apparently on national TV in Spain. (non-english)

8/30/05 -More academic endorsements added.

Dark shirts available now from the new store.

8/29/05 -Article in the NY Times here

More emails added, pages 17, 18, 19, 20 and some jesusy and/or hatemails email_neg.htm

FSM-related webcomic at FrozenReality here

8/28/05 - Printed in the Washington Post here (may need to register to see it).

Very Good FSM-related article in the Wichita Eagle here .. "According to its creed, the monster created the world starting with a mountain, trees and a midget, and continues to guide human affairs with his "noodly appendage." Heaven is depicted as having a stripper factory and a beer volcano."

FSM is the featured article on the Uncyclopedia today here .. "The Flying Spaghetti Monster is an amalgamated deity composed of two separate, and distinct parts. It is the central point of worship in the religion commonly known as Flying Spaghetti Monsterism or Pastafarianism, according to which it is The Creator and Overseer, watching our lives and our world, changing them as it sees fit. Bobby Henderson is the guru of this religion. He too, has huge, spicy meatballs..." (it's true)

Wayne Giles gets the first ever FSM pirate-fish tattoo. Check out the quality work:
and his site here

Miracle FSM Sandwich spotted on eBay here


8/27/05 - Ctrl-Alt-Del mentions the Flying Spaghetti Monster here.

8/26/05 - France newspaper Libèration has a FSM article here (non-english)

NEW! FSM Car Emblems available from Ring of Fire




Hits to date >19 million. Over 2million/day for the last couple days.

8/25/05 - St. Petersburg Times article here

Farked again here (link goes to the comments page - very large)

8/24/05 - FSM Sightings Gallery Here

Article in Lawrence Journal-World: Evolution debate creates monster here
"Board member Bill Wagnon, a Democrat, whose district includes Lawrence, said he has received more than 500 e-mails from supporters of FSM." Nice work.

8/23/05 - Not moving to Vegas

Austrian newspaper Der Standard touched by His Noodly Appendage here (non-english)

Mein Gott, ein Nudelmonster! - German newspaper Der Spiegel has an article here (non-english)

8/22/05 - More emails added, pages 10 , 11 , 12 , 13 , 14 , 15 , 16

More academic endorsements added.

12.8 Million hits.

8/21/05 - FSM Article in Baltimore Sun: Parody deity flies in face of Intelligent Design here

Chicago Sun Times article here

The Guardian mentions HIM here

8/20/05 - Reply from Kansas School Board member Carol Rupe here, 3rd one.

Bill Frist supports Flying Spaghetti Monsterism: "I think today a pluralistic society should have access to a broad range of fact, of science, including faith." read it here.

I received these Intelligent Design propaganda lapel pins in the mail the other day anonymously.

8/19/05 - Boingboing's $250,000 Intelligent Design Challenge: "We are willing to pay any individual *$250,000 if they can produce empirical evidence which proves that Jesus is not the son of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. ". Read it here

Another boingboing article: Pastafarianism: Flying Spaghetti Monster cult grows here

DIGG takes notice of His Noodly Appendage here

Over 10 MILLION people have been touched by His Noodly Appendage. Averaging ~750k hits/day.

Fun with search engines:

::Google rankings::

"intelligent design" -- #37 try it

"kansas school board" -- #1 try it

"spaghetti" -- #16 try it ... (MSN #3 -- try it)

"open letter" -- #17 try it

"alternate theory" -- #2 try it

8/18/05 - Article in the Kansas City Star here

8/17/05 - Spaghetti-Monster haben die Welt und das Leben erschaffen - oder etwa nicht? FSM in German newspaper here (in German).

8/12/05 - Article in the Hartford Courant about the Flying Spaghetti Monster here

Site may be down for a few hours while I switch web-hosting companies.

8/10/05 -My friend Otto drew this:



8/9/05 - Hits to date > 4 Million.

8/8/05 - Nick Wren brings this FSM Sighting to our attention.



8/6/05 - I don't know what to call this.. but you should see it. You need sound -it's inspirational. Behold His Noodlyness.

Wikipedia entry for Flying Spaghetti Monster. lookit

I have had TWO requests for radio interviews.

Total hits to date= 2.6 million.

8/5/05 - Farked (the uncyclopedia entry, actually). Fark Comments

New Scientist mentions the site here. In other news, I figured out where all the hits are coming from. (200k/day lately). The printed version of New Scientist includes an illustration (I hear - haven't seen it yet). Aug7 issue.

Illuminated Site of the Week


8/3/05 - Flying Spaghetti Monster entry in the Uncyclopedia... lookit

Site mentioned in Aug 7th issue of New Scientist. (I'm told).

8/2/05 - President Bush supports Flying Spaghetti Monsterism. "I think that part of education is to expose people to different schools of thought," Bush said. "You're asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas, the answer is yes." link

8/1/05 - Niklas Jansson created this drawing. It's amazing. Click to see the full-size image.


7/30/05 -Posters now available at the store. More emails on the way soon.

Added the HIRE ME page. Seriously, I need a job. Specifically I need to get out of moving to Vegas and taking a job that is going to ******. More specifically: I need this to happen FAST. Help me out, I know some of you have connections.

7/25/05 - more emails added.

7/20/05 - Forum Added. Go there and start an argument.

7/15/05 - FSM legal-action/personal-yacht fund (one of those or some combination) is now over $800. Incidentally, the boat I want is here.

7/13/05 - Store updated.

7/10/05 -More emails posted.

7/7/05 - I have received over 1000 emails now, and here is what I've learned: No one supports the teaching of faith-based theories in science classroom, NOT EVEN the very religious - at least the ones who have contacted me. It makes sense, I suppose.. why would they want their beliefs taught by an unenthusiastic science teacher who is begrudgingly explaining a theory that he, himself, does not believe?

So.. to the majority members of the Kansas School Board: Why are you so hell-bent on this? Where are your supporters? Have them contact me, because I have yet to hear a single explanation of why faith-based theories should be taught in science classrooms.

7/3/05 -Added INTERESTING EMAILS section. These are very entertaining.

6/30/05 - Emails continue to pour in at the rate of about 60/day. I will do my best to reply to each of them. Here is the breakdown:

95% - In favor of teaching Flying Spaghetti Monsterism in schools.

5% - Telling me I am going to Hell.

Site traffic is steady at about 80k hits per day, with maximum daily traffic of 140k hits when this site was BoingBoinged. Still waiting to be Farked.

Contacted by lawyers asking how serious I am about pursuing legal action against the Kansas School Board if they refuse to give equal time for FSMism. The answer: very. If it happens, I will need an army of like-minded Flying Spaghetti Monsterists on my side. I recommend you start hunting around for Pirate regalia.


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Damn... Why didn't I have the scientific imagination to come up with such a theory? Already this guy has groupies!! :P
Glenn wrote: Well expect this (and other issues) to get renewed national interest now that Chief Justice Renquist has died and Bush gets to appoint 2 justices. The Supreme Court's majority-view will likely change as a result, and thus lead to some renewed challenges to certain established laws/rulings.
It hardly seems plausible to me that replacing Rehnquist and O'Connor with strict constructionists is going to 'change the majority-view.'

And once again, I challenge all folks to get out of the one-dimensional political thinking around here. The "conservative" change in the Supreme Court isn't about changing political views, but rather to stop judicial activism. Our legislature - and not our judicial system - should be charged with making laws. The Supreme Court ideally should be interpreting laws that "we the people" choose to create - or not.

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Bill wrote:
The "conservative" change in the Supreme Court isn't about changing political views, but rather to stop judicial activism.
The NYT wrote:
Like the president, this page worries about activist judges who might use the Constitution as a cloak for their desires to remake society in the mold of their own political preferences. Unlike Mr. Bush, we believe the record now shows that most of those jurists are conservatives, who strike down laws that do not fit their political philosophies or their extremely narrow view of governmental power.

Bill, according to the paper of record, it can only get worse with Roberts on the bench.
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Unlike Mr. Bush, we believe the record now shows that most of those jurists are conservatives, who strike down laws that do not fit their political philosophies or their extremely narrow view of governmental power.
It sounds to me like this statement is consistent with everything that those opposed to "judicial activism" are talking about. It starts with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Everything must follow from there, or these articles must be changed by the people.

Plus, you miss another point I made. How can it get "worse" when Roberts is of the same mindset as Rehnquist? Roberts in fact served as a clerk under the Chief Justice. So, what's going to be "worse" or "different"?

Consider the source. The NYT is just pissed that "their boy" (whomever that is/was) wasn't president when The Chief Justice passed away, and Sandra Day O'Connor chose to hang up her robes. It doesn't take a genius to read their headlines every day and understand where they are coming from.

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