yes just about every move esp the upper body the hips should be put into it. it adds the snap to it. even in boxing where you would throw jabs and esp an upper cut which is all about how much hip and snap you add to it makes a big difference.
though doing it with an elbow strike or thrust is harder and takes some practicing to do it properly, as I am learning
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GEM-Shihan,
The hook kick, while taking serious advantage of centrifical force, also leaves the kicker in a position that is somewhat dangerous - when the defender sees it coming, steps forward and throws an elbow block to the kicking leg - notably into the thigh.
Needless to say, such a counter can ruin someone's day - and not the blocker's.
This was a favorite of mine in my tournament days. Ticked off the TKD people no end as, in most cases, it forced them to quit the match as the leg was not non-functional.
Respectfully,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht. (Sandan, ret, sort of)
The hook kick, while taking serious advantage of centrifical force, also leaves the kicker in a position that is somewhat dangerous - when the defender sees it coming, steps forward and throws an elbow block to the kicking leg - notably into the thigh.
Needless to say, such a counter can ruin someone's day - and not the blocker's.
This was a favorite of mine in my tournament days. Ticked off the TKD people no end as, in most cases, it forced them to quit the match as the leg was not non-functional.
Respectfully,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht. (Sandan, ret, sort of)
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yes very right.. kicks period leave you open.. esp that kick in particular. and a counter to the thigh would definatly do the job.. not to mention if the person misses the kick it totally leaves them open for you to do many things.
but the dividends on connecting I kick might be worth it for some but is too risky.
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but the dividends on connecting I kick might be worth it for some but is too risky.
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And don't leave out the most humble kick of all -- the downward stomp.
Many folks will just crumble to the ground during inadvertant foot smashing during partner drills in class. I shudder to think of the effect if stomping where done with intention.
Dana
Many folks will just crumble to the ground during inadvertant foot smashing during partner drills in class. I shudder to think of the effect if stomping where done with intention.
Dana
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I have no idea where you would use this (ok you wouldn't use this), but a running jump spinning back kick can take down a blast door on a cold war fallout shelter. Goodness, the piles of wood I've seen crumble under that kick...
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TSGuy,
Good point on that kick, but it better be used as a finale to a fight, when your opponent is basically already out of the event, otherwise an elbow block to the calf will completely incapacitate you for a good long time (not to mention putting you into a small galaxy of hurt!).
I won several tournament bouts with that technique back in the no-contact days and even in the early full contact days. As the elbow strike was a block, the excessive contact rule did not apply.
As my Sensei used to say, "Fight the man, not the weapon. But if you have to, destroy the weapon and he will be unable to fight."
I believe this is also known as de-fanging the snake.
Respectfully,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht. (Sandan, ret, sort of)
Good point on that kick, but it better be used as a finale to a fight, when your opponent is basically already out of the event, otherwise an elbow block to the calf will completely incapacitate you for a good long time (not to mention putting you into a small galaxy of hurt!).
I won several tournament bouts with that technique back in the no-contact days and even in the early full contact days. As the elbow strike was a block, the excessive contact rule did not apply.
As my Sensei used to say, "Fight the man, not the weapon. But if you have to, destroy the weapon and he will be unable to fight."
I believe this is also known as de-fanging the snake.
Respectfully,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht. (Sandan, ret, sort of)
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"but it better be used as a finale to a fight, when your opponent is basically already out of the event"
Nah, can't even use this kick as a finisher. Anyway, a knifehand is much easier and takes a lot less energy!
The only thing i can think of this kick is good for (other than looking pretty while you break 12 inches of wood) is to bring to light any flaws in a normal, useful back kick. This is consistently the ugliest kick at any martial art school around the country and it's a shame. A good back kick to the gut or knee can be a real life saver. But that's another thread.
Nah, can't even use this kick as a finisher. Anyway, a knifehand is much easier and takes a lot less energy!
The only thing i can think of this kick is good for (other than looking pretty while you break 12 inches of wood) is to bring to light any flaws in a normal, useful back kick. This is consistently the ugliest kick at any martial art school around the country and it's a shame. A good back kick to the gut or knee can be a real life saver. But that's another thread.
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If I may I'd just like to add some comments about knee strikes.
Whereas the Ueichi Seisan Strike rises, in Isshinryu we utilize a knee strike in several other ways.
The kicking foot can be drawn back, as if pulling a sheet of paper across the floor, in effect cocking the leg, and then the strike is delivered forward (or upward). This makes for a more powerful strike (and follows the method my instructors studied in Okinawa).
Among the targets are the groin and the side of the leg.
The knee strike can also be used as a precursor for the front kick. As in the ending of Isshinryu's Wansu kata the knee strike can be used to drive an opponent away opening the range for the following front kick. This can be done with or without the drawing back motion, too.
Additionally styles such as Bando (and Tai Kick Boxing) actually drive knee strikes forward to smash into an opponent to try and drop their arms (creating openings I'm sure for punches). Those strikes are used as much to punish the body of of the opponent as to end them.
I have even seen some who throw roundhouse knee strikes, an interior line of attack against clinches, too.
I'm not sure whether these strikes are the ultimate, but they sure can be punishing when delivered.
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Victor Smith
Whereas the Ueichi Seisan Strike rises, in Isshinryu we utilize a knee strike in several other ways.
The kicking foot can be drawn back, as if pulling a sheet of paper across the floor, in effect cocking the leg, and then the strike is delivered forward (or upward). This makes for a more powerful strike (and follows the method my instructors studied in Okinawa).
Among the targets are the groin and the side of the leg.
The knee strike can also be used as a precursor for the front kick. As in the ending of Isshinryu's Wansu kata the knee strike can be used to drive an opponent away opening the range for the following front kick. This can be done with or without the drawing back motion, too.
Additionally styles such as Bando (and Tai Kick Boxing) actually drive knee strikes forward to smash into an opponent to try and drop their arms (creating openings I'm sure for punches). Those strikes are used as much to punish the body of of the opponent as to end them.
I have even seen some who throw roundhouse knee strikes, an interior line of attack against clinches, too.
I'm not sure whether these strikes are the ultimate, but they sure can be punishing when delivered.
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Just a thought. I think the most damaging technique may well be a hip or shoulder throw landed the way they where originally designed. On the head.
Colin 8 of 8
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My name is Colin 8 of 8, I am very much alive, and intend to stay that way.
Colin 8 of 8
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My name is Colin 8 of 8, I am very much alive, and intend to stay that way.
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Mr. Darrow,
You've sparred with Chuck Norris? I'm very impressed!
His back kick must be so good because he's a TSD guy
Mr. Colin,
On the head, with the thrower going down on top of the throwee. I had a 250 pound plus Judo instructor demonstrate the infamous landingonyouropponentgari. Ouch!
You've sparred with Chuck Norris? I'm very impressed!
His back kick must be so good because he's a TSD guy
Mr. Colin,
On the head, with the thrower going down on top of the throwee. I had a 250 pound plus Judo instructor demonstrate the infamous landingonyouropponentgari. Ouch!
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TSDguy-sama,
I generally agree. I wouldn't use that type of kick on a bet. The only reason I could possibly see in using that kick would be to cover a long distance quickly and even that isn't a good enough argument.
Shorin folks don't generally go for that anyway.
And the back kick is a killer move, see any of Chuck Norris' bouts when he was competing. "Patented" was what Black Belt Magazine called it and, having been hit with it, from him, I can attest to its effectivenes!
Respectfully,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
I generally agree. I wouldn't use that type of kick on a bet. The only reason I could possibly see in using that kick would be to cover a long distance quickly and even that isn't a good enough argument.
Shorin folks don't generally go for that anyway.
And the back kick is a killer move, see any of Chuck Norris' bouts when he was competing. "Patented" was what Black Belt Magazine called it and, having been hit with it, from him, I can attest to its effectivenes!
Respectfully,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
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TSDguy-sama,
Yup. Scored the first point against him and then got handed my a$$ets, in a neatly pleated, decorator bag with a bow on it. I scored with a fast uraken to the head as an opening shot. Surprised heck out of both of us, I think, especially as I managed to sidestep his side kick to make the point.
10 years later, we met at a Consumer Electronics Show. He was marketing a video game for the original Atari. I bowed and said, "It's good to see you again, sir."
He looked at me for a moment and said, "Nationals, Washington, DC, ten years ago. You're the kid with the backfist. Nice to see you, too."
Needless to say, that hit me harder than his back kick. It would seem that he has a photographic memory for everyone he's ever fought. Nice guy, too.
Colin-sama, the late Ebi-Sensei (known as Newaza-no Kami-ka - the God of matwork) used to choke out his opponents on the way OVER while being thrown in Ippon Seoinage. Talk about SKILL! In one Shihai, he lost to an ippon on that move, but he got up and the opponent didn't - he was out cold from the choke done DURING the throw!
Black Belt did an article on him and his Shime-waza training in the early '70's. You might be able to find a back issue somewhere - it's worth a read.
Respectfully,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
Yup. Scored the first point against him and then got handed my a$$ets, in a neatly pleated, decorator bag with a bow on it. I scored with a fast uraken to the head as an opening shot. Surprised heck out of both of us, I think, especially as I managed to sidestep his side kick to make the point.
10 years later, we met at a Consumer Electronics Show. He was marketing a video game for the original Atari. I bowed and said, "It's good to see you again, sir."
He looked at me for a moment and said, "Nationals, Washington, DC, ten years ago. You're the kid with the backfist. Nice to see you, too."
Needless to say, that hit me harder than his back kick. It would seem that he has a photographic memory for everyone he's ever fought. Nice guy, too.
Colin-sama, the late Ebi-Sensei (known as Newaza-no Kami-ka - the God of matwork) used to choke out his opponents on the way OVER while being thrown in Ippon Seoinage. Talk about SKILL! In one Shihai, he lost to an ippon on that move, but he got up and the opponent didn't - he was out cold from the choke done DURING the throw!
Black Belt did an article on him and his Shime-waza training in the early '70's. You might be able to find a back issue somewhere - it's worth a read.
Respectfully,
Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
