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Panther wrote:Thanks Dana...

I have wondered from the start... If we're preparing to go to war with Iraq because they might have weapons of mass destruction (to be used against us), then why haven't we already gone to war with North Korea who we know does have weapons of mass destruction (to be used against us)?

Just a little more fuel to throw on the match that Dana lit...

This is exactley the hand that N. Korea is playing too. North Korea may attack S. Korea during the Iraq campaign. If that happens, it will surely be a UN problem and the US will not be blamed for war mongering. Bush is playing a winning hand here by playing offense in Iraq and defense in S. Korea. By decimating the entire military in Iraq (which is what will happen) the new regime will be reliant on US military power for defense, thus, we will have a huge military presence there, poised to crush Iran. Iran knows this and have already said they prefer an Iraqi regime over a US neighbor. This isn't about oil, this is about war. War is about conquest, not the spoils of war.

Alternatively,

It might be that N. Korea, having been branded a part of the Axis of Evil, figuring that they would be next, determined that it would be better to be armed and ready for conflivt than to get caught with their pants down.....

How silly was it to lump N Korea with Iran & Iraq? As if there were some connection?

5% of the world's population uses 25% of the oil.......that is fine if you are willing to pay for it, but if your plan is to maintain dictatorships that will provide you with a contant supply of cheap oil, then you may want to consider the anger that such a plan cretaes among the populace of that nation on top of your patch of oil....perhaps it would just be easier to just annex the rest of the world and call it ours.......we could do it overnight or over the course of a few decades....we could call it manifest destiny and anyone who tried to stop us could be our enemy..........we could have lots of wonderful conquests that we could all rally and go "huaw" lots of times.....


Arrogance. That is one of our biggest problems. We can have all the bombs in the world and We get to tell the world who gets to have bombs like ours. Meanwhile, our president unilaterally withdrew from several world recognized treaties, so why should any other nation expect to have to abide by rules that we dont even follow ourselves......? Arrogance.....

World criminal court..... We are quick to judge the actions of others, but unwilling to let anyone make judgements agaisnt us.....This is a dangerous form of arrogance.......N. Korea had their nuclear program on hold until our policies of go it alone and screw international agreements came into play.......Is the N Korean dictator a paranoid, well armed maniac? Probably. Is that the kind of guy you want to piss off? Probably not. Some of you folks will never learn, dont mess with the mentally ill....

Might makes right. As long as we have the might, everything we do is right so dont bother questioning or criticizing your govt since that would be helping the enemy.

You were granted the freedom to speak and now it is time for you to watch what you say cuz your civil liberties are quickly washing away.

We are not working to free Iraq or any other nation but are quickly rushing to reduce and eliminate what rights we have left.

The problems this nation repeatedly finds itself in are mostly of its own making (not to say that we deserve it, but merely that we had a hand it helping that be so). You fight for oil or for the glory of conquest (and in the end get to keep the oil).

ATH

Akil Todd Harvey wrote: 5% of the world's population uses 25% of the oil.......that is fine if you are willing to pay for it...

We do pay for it... look at all the foreign aid... look at the vast amount of food, medicine and money that we send all over the world... We pay for everything that we use.

Arrogance. That is one of our biggest problems. We can have all the bombs in the world and We get to tell the world who gets to have bombs like ours. Meanwhile, our president unilaterally withdrew from several world recognized treaties, so why should any other nation expect to have to abide by rules that we dont even follow ourselves......? Arrogance.....

Why should the USA continue to abide by various treaties when we know that the other parties are ignoring those treaties. Better to forget the charade and just withdraw from the treaty.

World criminal court..... We are quick to judge the actions of others, but unwilling to let anyone make judgements agaisnt us.....This is a dangerous form of arrogance.......N. Korea had their nuclear program on hold until our policies of go it alone and screw international agreements came into play.......Is the N Korean dictator a paranoid, well armed maniac? Probably. Is that the kind of guy you want to piss off? Probably not. Some of you folks will never learn, dont mess with the mentally ill....

Better yet... terminate with extreme prejudice. The USA should get out of the World Court, out of the World Bank, and OUT of the UN. In fact, we should send all of those commie rat b*st*rds at the UN packing without even a fare-thee-well!

Might makes right. As long as we have the might, everything we do is right so dont bother questioning or criticizing your govt since that would be helping the enemy.

When discussing the USA vs. other nations, I'm specifically discussing government vs. government... not people.

You were granted the freedom to speak and now it is time for you to watch what you say cuz your civil liberties are quickly washing away.

OK... Now if you'd like to discuss the erosion of our inalienable Rights granted to us by our Creator... The current "war on terrorism" is being used as the excuse to shred the Constitution! When Clinton was in office, our Rights were being eroded and there were large groups of people who were very vocal about those erosions... To a certain extent, since a "conservative" administration is in power, people haven't noticed (or haven't spoken up as much) about the fact that many of the things that were being complained about, rallied against, and prevented from occuring during the Clinton administration have been pushed through during the Bush administration! The "USA Patriot Act" was one of the biggest pieces of UnConstitutional crap to get forced through in a long time! Things like that (and most of the legislation that has passed over the last 100 years) should be repealed immediately not only for unConstitutionality, but because of a lack of showing of need for abridging our Rights.

We are not working to free Iraq or any other nation but are quickly rushing to reduce and eliminate what rights we have left.

And the biggest murder of the citizens of the world over the last century has been? .... drum roll puhleeze... Their own governments!

There are two distinct sides to this for me. The USA vs. other nations... and US citizens vs. government erosion of our Rights.

Do I believe that everyone has the same inalienable Rights granted to them by their Creator no matter where they live in the world? Yes.

Do I give a rat's @$$ about those people who dance in the streets over US tragedies? H*** NO!

Does that sound cold and cruel? Pass the Kleenex...

Support Our Dupes

This is another comment that I will change if folks are finding it offensive. But you will have to remind me where to find it since it took me a while to find it.

Most of our troops are there or are going there (Iraq or the vicinity) of their won free will and thus have not been duped into going.

I hope our troops all the best and want them all to return home safely when this is over with. I dont relish the hardships that they or their families are going through in this time.

Back in Gulf War I, it was my assertion that GW and SH just duke it out in the sand and settle it that way. Naive perhaps, but it still makes more sense, IMO, than lining our nations men up against one another to see who is tougher.

Back in Gulf war I time I was not yet a Muslim and was still opposed to war over there. At the time, my argument was that we should not fight to protect any nation in which we could not drink, look at pictures of naked women or chase the women (attempting to get them naked). It was mostly a statement in jest, but my point was more that we should not protect the Saudis because they dont support ideals that we value.

Peace,

ATH

S. Korea is our ally. the US hopes that if N. Korea falls, there will be no N. or S. Korea, only a Korea, like in Germany. Whats in it for the US? Well.. . look who our new neighbor would be. China. Remember, this is war. Conquest. Pretend like your playing Stratego and everything that is going on will make perfectly good sense.

The World Court is a joke. The US is not, nor will it ever be a part of that.

Perhaps the world court would be less of a joke if we actually put our full weight and power behind it, instead of playing this little game where we do our best to undermine its efforts and then complain cuz it does not work to our satisfaction.

Ours is, supposedly, a nation of laws, balances, and checks. If there is no viable international law or courts, then we can NOT participate and complain how horrible it is that there is no world court or we get off our asses and do something about it.

If there is no viable court for international affairs, etc, then who better to force the issue of creating a useful world court than the biggest, baddest (you know, most powerful, in that sense of the word).

ATH

IMHO, it is worth taking the time to understand others in this world whether or not you agree with them.

"Know your enemy"....gee, I wonder who said that and why?????

We dont know our enemies in this nation. Since World War II, the US public has been, in large part, ignorant or unaware of the greater dynamics of the world.

If the US tried another BIG LIE about Vietnam like the Gulf of Tongkin incident, do you thinkm we would fall for that lie again? Nah, we learned that mistake.

If the US tried another BIG LIE about how bad or about how dangerous Saddam is, do you think we will buy that one? Well, many have bought it.....and the rest are just a bunch of commy bastards who dont deserve to live or for you to feel bad for them, God forbid, if anything bad befalls them.

We dont know our enemies.....that is why Al-Qaeda succeeded in doing what they did. Because we underestimated them. Or should I say the commander in chief underestimated them in his desire to do everything differently from the past administration. Bush was so busy demonizing the Clinton administration (who sold out BIG TIME), that his main policy was simply to do things different than Clinton without any thought to whether or not it was sound policy, but merely to go against the Clinton grain. Bush's chosen policy objective was to spend the first few months of his presidency focusing on the war on drugs (and largely ignore terrorist warnings given by Clinto Admin lackeys).......Do the US Air force give uppers and downers to their pilots to fly long missions? Yeah. Are they illegal drugs? Yeah. Is that a hypocritical policy? Yeah. Can anyone besides me connect ANY of these dots.........the hypocritical dots.....the cia is used to sell drugs whenever we have freedom fighters that congress wont fund, but then it later issues proclamations like drug users are supporters of terrorists.......


ATH

Al Queda ain't shchit.

Tis True Tony,

Given the attention that they deserve, Al-Quaeda (or however you spell it) disappears into the wood work.

For that we can agree our president has done a good job? Great job?

ATH

Akil Todd Harvey wrote:
"Know your enemy"....gee, I wonder who said that and why?????

Sun Tsu, The Art of War... or Clausewitz, On War...

Take your pick...

We dont know our enemies in this nation. Since World War II, the US public has been, in large part, ignorant or unaware of the greater dynamics of the world.

True in general, but there are plenty of people who do understand the international dynamics and follow them. Then again... you can make the same statement (concerning ignorance of international politics) about the general population of the world.

Well, many have bought it.....and the rest are just a bunch of commy bastards who dont deserve to live or for you to feel bad for them, God forbid, if anything bad befalls them.

Sorry, but the fact is that if you want to dance in the streets to celebrate US tragedies, I would rather you get nuked 'til you glow before one single US soldier suffers a hang-nail fighting over your god-forsaken @$$! And yes... I feel that way about every commie b*st*rd that walks the face of the earth... foreign OR domestic!

I feel that way about every commie b*st*rd that walks the face of the earth... foreign OR domestic!

What is it about communism that everybody hates so much? Isn't Communism more of an economic evil than a social evil?

Sorry Leon,

We are not allowed to use logic here.......

ATH

We are not allowed to use logic here

And your implying what exactly?

Leon DaDamaga wrote:

I feel that way about every commie b*st*rd that walks the face of the earth... foreign OR domestic!

What is it about communism that everybody hates so much? Isn't Communism more of an economic evil than a social evil?

I will only speak for myself in answering this...

It is a social evil as well as an economic evil. The problem with Socialism and Communism is that they don't allow for freedom, liberty and individuality. They don't allow for one to progress above one's place in the order of things. Argue against the US Republican form of government all you want (and there are plenty of problems with what it's turned into), but the fact is that a poor mixed-breed kid from the wrong side of the tracks can break out of that and make a better life. It just takes hard work, perseverance and a little luck. For me, other forms of men governing men are just as evil as communism. Those include Facism or any form of Totalitarianism... they also include monarchies... and even democracy in the classic sense.

Akil,

When have I stopped anyone from:
1) posting what they felt.
2) using logic to make their point.
3) being patriotic or not as they wish.
4) saying just about anything they wish... within reason (I don't tolerate personal attacks)

I try to post things based on facts and statitics, but I'm guilty of posting based on emotion sometimes. Even though I admit that, I wonder the same thing that uglyelk posted...

What are you implying?

Otherwise... continue on everyone...