[quote="CJG]why?[/quote]
Because that's how they do it on Okinawa????
(don't?) push hands
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Dana Sheets
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Shaolin:
Since I've done a little chi sao and Uechi sticky hands too, I can say that Uechi's is a less prominent study than in WC. The emphasis is not so much in getting the center or sweeping, but these can happen.
Rather its a more basic lesson in the give and take of energy with your uke while touching wrists. Learning to use technique over the natural tendency for muscling.
I was taught to channel offensive energy down through the body, much like a BB spiraling down a funnel. You "swallow", or "sink" or direct the energy down through the dantien and through your rootedness to the ground. Similarly, energy is transfered up through the ground through the amplification of the sanchin hara and up through the proper body mechanics of sanchin - shoulders tucked down, elbows in, sinking the hara and bending the knees.
The more advanced the Uechi practitioner at sticky hands, the more powerful and effortless his action and the more control he effects. Obviously, this sets up sweeps, throws, etc.
I liken it somewhat to someone who handles a floor buffer for the first time and muscles that thing around the floor and can hardly move the next day, while the master custodian can move the buffer around the floors with his little pinky cause he understands the dynamics of leverage and control and letting the machine do the work.
JohnC
Since I've done a little chi sao and Uechi sticky hands too, I can say that Uechi's is a less prominent study than in WC. The emphasis is not so much in getting the center or sweeping, but these can happen.
Rather its a more basic lesson in the give and take of energy with your uke while touching wrists. Learning to use technique over the natural tendency for muscling.
I was taught to channel offensive energy down through the body, much like a BB spiraling down a funnel. You "swallow", or "sink" or direct the energy down through the dantien and through your rootedness to the ground. Similarly, energy is transfered up through the ground through the amplification of the sanchin hara and up through the proper body mechanics of sanchin - shoulders tucked down, elbows in, sinking the hara and bending the knees.
The more advanced the Uechi practitioner at sticky hands, the more powerful and effortless his action and the more control he effects. Obviously, this sets up sweeps, throws, etc.
I liken it somewhat to someone who handles a floor buffer for the first time and muscles that thing around the floor and can hardly move the next day, while the master custodian can move the buffer around the floors with his little pinky cause he understands the dynamics of leverage and control and letting the machine do the work.
JohnC
I like the floor buffer metaphor John C, it makes a great deal of sense. This past weekend we did a new type of push hands that I doubt I can describe well. But I'll always give it a try... partners face each other frontal, one pushes w/both hands forward and (I think) outside of the others' arms. The receiver sort of rolls his/her hands to the outside at the very last minute to rechannel in the reverse direction. I'm hoping I'll feel all your concepts more clearly as practice continues...
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"Centerline sticky hand training"
take a look...
http://www.bambootemple.com/dcforum/DCForumID15/5.html
take a look...
http://www.bambootemple.com/dcforum/DCForumID15/5.html
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Dana Sheets
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Cindy,
I found the sticky hand drill video to be a great resource. Sifu Hagood, who makes them, really suggested I start with the first video and and footwork which is the root of SPM. But the stickiness and bridging exercises really appealed to me. It can also help to develop some of the springy outward "float" energy - when you use your bridge to knock your opponent off his center by properly cutting through his balance. After watching the videos you can grab any non-martial artist and they'll pick up the drill very quickly. I'm saving money for another video...
Dana
I found the sticky hand drill video to be a great resource. Sifu Hagood, who makes them, really suggested I start with the first video and and footwork which is the root of SPM. But the stickiness and bridging exercises really appealed to me. It can also help to develop some of the springy outward "float" energy - when you use your bridge to knock your opponent off his center by properly cutting through his balance. After watching the videos you can grab any non-martial artist and they'll pick up the drill very quickly. I'm saving money for another video...
Dana
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jorvik
I have a different perspective on Tai Chi and pushing hands than most people. I started TC after having done Aikido for a number of years, the influence of the Aikido was very helpful. I immediately related the pushing hands to some Aiki exercises, and so was able to do it very quickly.
These two exercises were.
Get somebody to hold one of your hands with both of their's now try to pull them....nearly impossibe
.....now stand in a forward leaning stance Zenkutsu dachi, with right leg forward let them take hold of your right hand again with two hands.........now forget about your arm, let it go limp,like a piece of string.....and just step back with your right leg, you should pull them easily 
..........next kneel on the floor in seiza have them place both hands on your shoulders and try to push you backwards...they'll do this easily, however if you place your hands under their arms and push upward this will negate their action. 
These two exercises will help tremendously in pushing hands, the first one teaches that....your power comes from the hips ,or the ground if you will, and not from the arms ( any tension in your arms will be picked up immediately)....think of your arms as conduits, or pieces of string.
The second exercise.
You can use this principle to stop somebody pushing you back....you need to do two things one is try to lower your centre ( tanden Tan Tien) ..the other is push upwards. And of course you need to practise them both, a lot
These two exercises were.
Get somebody to hold one of your hands with both of their's now try to pull them....nearly impossibe
.....now stand in a forward leaning stance Zenkutsu dachi, with right leg forward let them take hold of your right hand again with two hands.........now forget about your arm, let it go limp,like a piece of string.....and just step back with your right leg, you should pull them easily ..........next kneel on the floor in seiza have them place both hands on your shoulders and try to push you backwards...they'll do this easily, however if you place your hands under their arms and push upward this will negate their action. These two exercises will help tremendously in pushing hands, the first one teaches that....your power comes from the hips ,or the ground if you will, and not from the arms ( any tension in your arms will be picked up immediately)....think of your arms as conduits, or pieces of string.
The second exercise.
You can use this principle to stop somebody pushing you back....you need to do two things one is try to lower your centre ( tanden Tan Tien) ..the other is push upwards. And of course you need to practise them both, a lot
