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"You still never answered me if you knew an aikidoist who had their asz handed to them Jorvik."
I used to go to a trad club, which had all the usual b*llschitt trappings. aikido is none competative, it is too dangerous to use etc,etc.........one of the blackbelts there was giving a demo and unfortunately he believed all that bull, ( it takes 10 years to get a blackbelt in aiki......but then a blackbelt at karate cannot even touch you
...and a chop to the head is the same as a punch.that sort of stuff)............anyway he got this tiny little guy to attack him with a punch......and he was going to do his stuff
the little guy stepped up threw a little punch......and broke his nose
..in front of a couple of hundred spectators.
There have been worse things happen though some years back a sport aiki guy got stabbed to death ( they practice with training knives and do randori with them).his training wasn't realistic enough for the real thing.
It's really the philosophy bit that I don't like...you can fit joint locks into sparring and some other stuff like the clothesline throws.......but you have to be careful or you can get hurt or hurt somebody else.
If you take the "wrist turn"throw as an example.in aiki jutsu it was used to quickly snap a wrist and not as an elegant throw as in aikido......and it can be used like that now............in old Japan it would be used against a swordsman, with a broken wrist he wouldn't be much of a swordsman.....and the same holds true for a boxer or somebody trying to deploy a handgun or knife.
there are a couple of tricks to get aiki into your punching art...........if you backfist somebody and they block it you can then use that to do ikkyo and it's variants, (if they don't block you have just set them up with an atemi waza) or if they punch you you can try and grab their elbow and their hand and use their own hand to punch them in the face......this will give you the Bend in the arm required to do ikkyo again...sounds confusing and difficult but it is surpringly easy to do
generally though aiki uses silly attacks and defences...and where folks have tried to use realistic stuff like punches in aiki the aiki seems to change so much that it no longer looks like or is aiki. That is the paradox.....if you do aiki it is ineffective, if you make it more effective then it isn't aiki
...........it is like the b*llschitt that you get in karate but 10 times worse.there is all the mystical nonsence as well to contend with.
He said that there are pleanty of folks out there without alick of training who can take him. He then talked about fighting with all you haveand showed us a great way to bash someones head in with the elbow.... no way to blend with that one eh? 
is my primary system. Aiki is teaching me a lot about my own primary art. It has given me an appreciation of how sanchin trains your center. Aikido is about taking the other guys center.
