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Stryke, sorry your answer is too vague.

I bet you 5 that Joe Pomfret or Joe Lauzon would have a much better, more specific answer to the question. I think I do too, but I am waiting for others.
Of course it is , I can provide a lesson in position if you want , I also study BJJ

but i`d didnt think that was the purpose of this thread .

I also think your post is condecending , if you have questions ask them , dont get personal because i didnt assume you needed to be taught these things .

I dont post technical things anymore on the froums fenerally because in my experience it isnt what folks want . Even contributing and trying to discuss this issue and it`s larger ramifications to fighting has upset folks , I dont care if folks dont agree with me , no skin of my nose .

I`m happy to answer any questions on basic groundwork , theres some good stuff on here if you take the time to do a search .
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John if the five is a reference to Gems named few then possibly your trolling this thread .

My ground game is solid , you know nothing about me it seems

If this is a misunderstandig then I recant

:roll:
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Post by Stryke »

Lets take this discussion back to standing if anyones interested , the ground things clearly obscured things for some folks .

does anyone have different postures inside/outside near/far ?

Is one posture effective prior to contact , do`s it matter where the opponent is ? , is this stuff reflected in kata an the rest of our training ?
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eSc wrote:
but she did manage to kick the small girl away. However, it was "the constant pressure of [her] attack" that ultimately got her knocked out
I think what oldfist is trying to say is that at the moment the lady with the purple shirt kicked the white shirt lady away... if she had of stopped her "pressure" (trying to get up and continue fighting while moving towards the white shirt lady) she may have had a better chance to regain a good possition and gain some distance. This constant pressure was what lead her to a comprimising possition in the end.

So in this particular case the constant pressure at the beginning (constantly gaining the advantage possition through good mounting and distracting blows.. although im not sure how formally trained she was but would probably do well in BJJ) alowed the white shirt lady to start winning. This combined with the constant pressure of the purple shirt lady (thourghout and in the end) to try and attack, lead to (purple shirt) her loss.
eSc, exactly, thanks for making this clear! :D
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Oldfist wrote: I bet you 5 :D that Joe Pomfret or Joe Lauzon would have a much better, more specific answer to the question. I think I do too, but I am waiting for others.
Stryke, sorry for the confusion - I was trying to make a friendly bet of 5 smiley faces.
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Dana Sheets wrote:Basically, I expect people to be as respectful on my forum as if they were speaking in person in the company of strangers and that they be mindful of the fact that youth are probably reading many of these discussions.

So far this has worked well for me.
Dana, that sounds very reasonable and I am glad it has worked for you on your forum. :D

I guess the question I was wondering about was whether or not the moderator of a forum had any responsibility to the site owner in a situation in which a poster who was banned from all the forums by the site owner, found some way to continue posting, against the wishes of the site owner?

So, I wonder if there is an ethical question here. (?) Specifically, is it disrespectful of the wishes of the site owner to both allow and to participate in forum communication with a banned poster? And if so, Is it ultimately disrespectful to the site owner? What responsibility and respect is owed to the site owner in this situation?
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Post by Dana Sheets »

I dunno, Let's ask Laird.

Laird - do you think my rules are unreasonable in any way? Do you think they're something you could abide by on my forum as well as the rest?

I mean - the fact that you're posting again shows that you do enjoy the discussions here. I've enjoyed many of our discussions together as well.

So is it worth it to you to live with whatever happens to be the culture of these forums in order to engage in some lively discourse?

If it isn't then it would probably be best for you to stay away. But if you think you can then I'd be happy to have you here.

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So, I wonder if there is an ethical question here. (?) Specifically, is it disrespectful of the wishes of the site owner to both allow and to participate in forum communication with a banned poster? And if so, Is it ultimately disrespectful to the site owner? What responsibility and respect is owed to the site owner in this situation?
I don't know John before you rally the troops for a public shunning you might want to check with the site owner. He sent a PM to TIMMA and indicated he had noticed a few of my evil brothers had been posting. He never expressed any dissatisfaction to me about the situation. Bottom line folks is you people should be having this conversation with out my involvement, it's not my decission.

Dana no problems following the rule set, never has been. I have been banned but not for breaking the rules. I have enjoyed our dialoge in the past as well.

Laird
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Stryke, sorry your answer is too vague.

I bet you 5 that Joe Pomfret or Joe Lauzon would have a much better, more specific answer to the question. I think I do too, but I am waiting for others.
ahh ok John Sorry I Misinterpreted the bet :(

however I dont think saying Joe or Joe could answer better is appropriate , I have no doubt they are more advanced grapplers but is it relevant , i`m only trying to contribute to discussion , If i`m doing something wrong trying to articulate , or you want me to expand please ask questions .

I dont think saying an expert would have a better answer/more valid opinion encourages discussion , I`m not a total novice , should we just leave it all to the Hachidans ...



I might very well do a short clip on ground position shortly for the other forum , as for the ground I`d recommend Joes groundfightng cd Gem sells , good basics even though i`d teach it differently
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Oldfist wrote:
Dana Sheets wrote:Basically, I expect people to be as respectful on my forum as if they were speaking in person in the company of strangers and that they be mindful of the fact that youth are probably reading many of these discussions.

So far this has worked well for me.
Dana, that sounds very reasonable and I am glad it has worked for you on your forum. :D

I guess the question I was wondering about was whether or not the moderator of a forum had any responsibility to the site owner in a situation in which a poster who was banned from all the forums by the site owner, found some way to continue posting, against the wishes of the site owner?

So, I wonder if there is an ethical question here. (?) Specifically, is it disrespectful of the wishes of the site owner to both allow and to participate in forum communication with a banned poster? And if so, Is it ultimately disrespectful to the site owner? What responsibility and respect is owed to the site owner in this situation?
What do you do when one or more apparently confused people ignore your question and/or the person to whom the question was addressed? :lol:

You try (probably in futility) to ask it again. :lol:
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I give up , I dont understand a single thing your posting John , and I`ll try give you the benifit of the doubt your not trolling

good luck in your search all
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Stryke wrote:good luck in your search all
Stryke, chill a little. My previous post wasn't addressed to you. I think your specific comments on ground fighting on this thread, regarding the posted fight video, have been right on and I know you really get it. So, we should be cool. 8)
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Timmy wrote: Dana no problems following the rule set, never has been. I have been banned but not for breaking the rules. I have enjoyed our dialoge in the past as well.
Laird
OK - that sounds good. I don't know what GEM's final decision will be in this matter but I'd like to ask you to think about one thing before continuing to post.

That is to respect the fact that some people need their training of Uechi-ryu as they know it and being respectful of the fact that others will train differently from you.

This is the one area where, in the past I have seen this come up as something that isn't "respecting the general culture" of these forums. For example on this thread you ended with a tag line "Hope you find what you seek." after writing a post post where you indicated that you didn't think I understood your point.

That "parting shot" if you will, isn't necessary and isn't part of what these forums are about. You may have meant it in a good way - but that's the kind of thing that comes across as very negative.

That may seem like a nitpick but I need to be specific to make my point. Because it is little statements like the one above that got things going down a bad road.

So...

This next bit is going to be a bit long but I hope you'll stick with me and read it and I hope my point comes across clearly.

A church is a place where the vast majority of the members have a somewhat equal partnership between themselves and the institution. They receive the support and fellowship of the community, guidance from the spritual leaders, and a place where they can gather regularly and spend time with their peers and often partake in efforts to make the world a better place for the disadvantaged. In exchange they attend regularly, give money to the church, volunteer their time for church events, promote the church to others, and often will use their church as a day care provider if they have children and pay for special programs and events and even put the church into their will.

However some people need the support of the church. They need the spiritual, social, and emotional support that a church (through its members) can offer and the support these individuals offer in return is thanks.

In many ways a dojo (and thus these forums) fulfill both those roles in many people's lives. Many who post here come for the fellowship, the comraderie, to pass a little free time together with their peers. They post lots, ask lots of questions, and enjoy a good exchange.

Their training - at whatever level they are capable of - fulfills them. They may not seek out the deep dark truths of violence as that might not be a goal in their training. But their training is no less important.

So the short version of all this is that when you write it is important to be more respectful of what other people are doing in order to maintain a relationship with these forums.

If I happen to be training to find the best place to hold my hands when I start a dojo sparring match - it is disrespectful (and useless) to say that I don't understand real violence. It is respectful to say that you think instead of trying to find one position to hold my hands I could think about trying to focus more on position and movement - and let those two factors decide the arm placement. And then elaborate on how I could try to do that.

Finally - if you want to return to these forums you'll do well to keep in mind what I'm sure you already know -- that forum moderation is an imperfect art undertaken by well-meaning people. Which means it will not be a consistent, mechanized affair that treats everyone exactly the same. It will be a human affair driven by subjective opinion.

And for the record I'd like to continue the positional/groundfighting discussion to so I'm opening up another thread on it.
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Turning back to this:
Dana Sheets wrote: If I happen to be training to find the best place to hold my hands when I start a dojo sparring match
Dana you wrote:
Dana Sheets wrote: I've found that I simply can stay in a traditional Sanchin arm position and fight.
I assume you meant: Can't.
Dana Sheets wrote: My head is too open and everyone else's arms are too too long. So at this point in my life my hands are up so that my fists (be they open or closed) are just below eye level and I (try to) keep my chin tucked back without letting my head drop forward and down.
This is why traditionally we use the Jong Sao. The JS creates a triangle in front of you like this ^ placing one vertical nukite directly behind the other. The idea is that this closes off the fastest line of attack, which is the line that goes from your nose to their jab. In this case our mechanics move out as needed to receive a curved attack; The larger the curve the more the hands will move outward off the line to meet it. In all but the largest curves only a slight movement is needed to widen the line. Again the traditional theory is that if they curve they are slightly slower than if they are direct, so we only need to move off the line as they get slower, to do the reverse you must move in as they get faster, this is the reverse of our theory because we want to be on the fastest line and only move, which takes time, to slower lines, lest we not have time to get there.

Also starting on the line offers pre-alignment with the target and a vector of force which moves through the opponent’s center and from our center so we do not accidentally turn away from the threat from leftover attacking torque, maintaining our ability to attack and protect without twisting away and instead staying with them.

Depending the the mechanics one wishes to use one may use a Uechi like guard that starts closer or even on the centerline, the fast line by blading or otherwise one could simply employ a closed centerline posture similar to Jong Sao, which closes the front door.
Dana Sheets wrote: What do you do?
In general for pre-engagement I use a free expression of Jong Sao where I have something like two vertical nukites one right behind the other 90% extension and pointing at the opponent's nose or clavicle. I also use lots of twitching, and other distractions, like slapping my lead wrist with my rear hand, in conjunction with head feints and body twitches..

We also try not offer a lead leg against a kicker, or grappler at least not for long, and can offer a neutral stance from way outside and then convert to a lead only as we enter with a micro flank.
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Originally posted by Dana Sheets
My head is too open and everyone else's arms are too too long
Dana...try this please.

Stand against a wall and mark your hieght, then extend your arms horizontally stretching far as possible then touching the floor where you stood against the wall note that your arm lenght (with torso of course) extends past your hieght marked. We are wider than we are tall 8O .
Yes... I won beers with this type of bet :lol: but it is more than that. You have means of combination of extending your arms via blading, position of shoulders to enhance your reach.

Incorporating this a persons arms can be bent in "unbreakable arm position" (Sanchin) and a wonderful triangle is formed joining the dots from toes-hand-top of head. A wedge to penetrate /deflect.
Will post more when I can find words for what I`m attempting to discribe using my "free beer ticket " :wink:
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