I don't think anyone is blaming Iraqi's that had their families killed by Americans for being racists pricks either. I don't agree with either side, but put yourself in their shoes.
As for being proud of him, if he's anything like some other vets I've known, he went from being a normal productive citizen to having his life ruined trying to make other peoples lives better. Hell ya I'm proud of that.
Actually the girl I started dating last week used to have a loving, kind father. Now he's medically unable to love other people because of "Gulf War Syndrome". It obviously completely ruined that part of her family life.
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TSDguy wrote:I don't think anyone is blaming Iraqi's that had their families killed by Americans for being racists pricks either. I don't agree with either side, but put yourself in their shoes.
As for being proud of him, if he's anything like some other vets I've known, he went from being a normal productive citizen to having his life ruined trying to make other peoples lives better. Hell ya I'm proud of that.
Actually the girl I started dating last week used to have a loving, kind father. Now he's medically unable to love other people because of "Gulf War Syndrome". It obviously completely ruined that part of her family life.
Ah i see gotcha.
What you said however actually shows the difference between Saddam hussains troops and american troops, the fact is that american troops actually do treat thier cetizens better, while saddams.....well you know.
Now thats ##### up.Actually the girl I started dating last week used to have a loving, kind father. Now he's medically unable to love other people because of "Gulf War Syndrome". It obviously completely ruined that part of her family life.[/
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I recommend you read Grossman's On Killing. It's a must-read for all martial artists.
After reading it, you'll understand just how f***-up that poor disabled veteran probably is. WE owe it to HIM to help him get his head back together again. Unfortunately in some cases, all the king's horses and all the king's men...
- Bill
I recommend you read Grossman's On Killing. It's a must-read for all martial artists.
After reading it, you'll understand just how f***-up that poor disabled veteran probably is. WE owe it to HIM to help him get his head back together again. Unfortunately in some cases, all the king's horses and all the king's men...
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On the survey I posted...
Do not confuse the trash surveys you read about with what I posted. That's a scientifically valid survey. Furthermore, it's a repeated measures design. In other words, you can see TRENDS in the data.
Read those graphs and charts I posted very carefully. Let the data speak to you.
- Bill
Do not confuse the trash surveys you read about with what I posted. That's a scientifically valid survey. Furthermore, it's a repeated measures design. In other words, you can see TRENDS in the data.
Read those graphs and charts I posted very carefully. Let the data speak to you.
- Bill
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Keep reading, Mary, and you will find this - emphasis added:
The United States has laws prohibiting actions rising out of hate. A shopkeeper can't refuse to serve only certain skin colors. A gas station attendant can't refuse to pump gas to only certain genders. A hospital can't refuse to treat patients do to national origin. Examples abound. But staing "I don't like Arabs" or its equivalent is not a crime - nor should it be. The fact that this man would be charged with a hate crime in Canada and is not (to our knowledge) charged in the United States speaks to the greateness of my nation.
And it is your right to feel differently.
Gene
What you call "hate-mongering" we call a vigorous discourse in free speech, the exchange of ideas and the right of all individuals to form their own opinions on any subject they wish. No one is forcing you, Mary, to read this drivel. No one is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to read those inane comments. Behind it in traffic? Change lanes. See the vehicle in the parking lot? Park in far away space. Bottom line is this man is not harming anyone. He is not gathering a bunch of like-minded followers and inciting them to kill Muslims, burn down their houses, sell their children into slavery and grill and eat their pets. He is stating his belief and opinions - however unenlightened those may be to you or me. You may not like the fact that he can, but this is the United States of America we are talking about. We've fought a big war way back when in order to be able to be unanswerable to no one on what we say, write and think. And I always get a chuckle when a foreigner even tries to lecture me on the US Constitution. Be proud of your nation, if you feel so inclined. I woudn't trade in mine - warts and all - for the world.Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The United States has laws prohibiting actions rising out of hate. A shopkeeper can't refuse to serve only certain skin colors. A gas station attendant can't refuse to pump gas to only certain genders. A hospital can't refuse to treat patients do to national origin. Examples abound. But staing "I don't like Arabs" or its equivalent is not a crime - nor should it be. The fact that this man would be charged with a hate crime in Canada and is not (to our knowledge) charged in the United States speaks to the greateness of my nation.
And it is your right to feel differently.
Gene
Man even sceintific surveys have huge margins of error, thats one think ive learned in college so far,
though these raise some interesting points.
Notice muslim countries never hit by suicide attacks tend to have a higher opinion of them? They cant empa
As for 9/11 denial: Denial shows that they acknowledge it to be a horrible, and want nothing to do with it. By feeling denial they keep themselves from being attributed to something horrible, which shows that it isnt something most muslims glorify in, something they do not want to be apart of it.
As for muslims and non-muslims viewing eachother with negative charecteristics:
Considering it's post 9/11, yeah not surprising.
Muslim countries are not the best example of enlightened thought these days. Maybe one day they will once again become scientific and philosophical pinnacles they once were.
though these raise some interesting points.
Notice muslim countries never hit by suicide attacks tend to have a higher opinion of them? They cant empa
As for 9/11 denial: Denial shows that they acknowledge it to be a horrible, and want nothing to do with it. By feeling denial they keep themselves from being attributed to something horrible, which shows that it isnt something most muslims glorify in, something they do not want to be apart of it.
As for muslims and non-muslims viewing eachother with negative charecteristics:
Considering it's post 9/11, yeah not surprising.
Muslim countries are not the best example of enlightened thought these days. Maybe one day they will once again become scientific and philosophical pinnacles they once were.
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On Freedoms...
I'm glad you Canadians like your system of government.
Back in 1972, Richard Nixon was running for re-election. It was the middle of the Vietnam War, and the draft was in effect. My draft number was picked, and I was 19 out of 365. If there was going to be a draft that year, I was going to be sent to a war that our country didn't have the stomach to fight or support.
(Our armed forces are now all volunteer. Partly because of that, they are now among the best in the world.)
There was a bumper sticker at the time that read "Re-elect the president - now more than ever!" Well... This was just after Watergate, and before anyone had discovered anything. I had a bumper sticker that stated "Impeach the president - now more than ever!"
I worked in a kitchen appliance and cabinet-building place over the summer. My job was to load the cabinets, refrigerators, freezers, dishwashers, etc. onto the trucks, unload them, and hold them up while the workers installed them. I was the college boy doing the dirty work. And I worked with some really "interesting" fellows. Some of them didn't like my bumper sticker, didn't like the fact that I was a "college boy", and didn't care for my long Irish hair that was twice as big as my head. I was physically threatened on many occasions for that one stupid bumper sticker and for the length of my hair.
Meanwhile... Nixon ended up getting impeached. And by the end of the 1970s, EVERYONE had long hair. By then I was getting it cut shorter.
One stupid bumper sticker... Long hair, for Christ's sake. I tolerated everyone's views. I got called a fag because of that and because I talked to the gay guy who did finishing on the kitchen cabinets. (It was the long hair, you know...) One guy tried to pour contact cement on my hair. A stupid redneck who beat his wife and was fresh out of jail for doing so wanted to kick my ass.
Anyone want to know why I got into martial arts?
That f***-up vet can put a bumper sticker on his car telling the world that the Irish are drunk and violent, for all I care. A bumper sticker isn't a human in your face threatening physical violence. I know what that is like. And I know what it is like to be threatened because of your beliefs.
A few years ago we had white supremacists in this town (from North Carolina) preaching hate. For these low-lifes, there really was no excuse. I supported their right to spew their venom. Those who disagreed with their beliefs - including yours truly - expressed it in public forums. I met many good people in the process. I made a financial donation to The United Negro College Fund. And I know a little more about what people really think, which isn't altogether bad. And no humans (or animals) were harmed in the process. On the contrary, a lot of nonwhites found out that their neighbors really cared.
- Bill
Back in 1972, Richard Nixon was running for re-election. It was the middle of the Vietnam War, and the draft was in effect. My draft number was picked, and I was 19 out of 365. If there was going to be a draft that year, I was going to be sent to a war that our country didn't have the stomach to fight or support.
(Our armed forces are now all volunteer. Partly because of that, they are now among the best in the world.)
There was a bumper sticker at the time that read "Re-elect the president - now more than ever!" Well... This was just after Watergate, and before anyone had discovered anything. I had a bumper sticker that stated "Impeach the president - now more than ever!"
I worked in a kitchen appliance and cabinet-building place over the summer. My job was to load the cabinets, refrigerators, freezers, dishwashers, etc. onto the trucks, unload them, and hold them up while the workers installed them. I was the college boy doing the dirty work. And I worked with some really "interesting" fellows. Some of them didn't like my bumper sticker, didn't like the fact that I was a "college boy", and didn't care for my long Irish hair that was twice as big as my head. I was physically threatened on many occasions for that one stupid bumper sticker and for the length of my hair.
Meanwhile... Nixon ended up getting impeached. And by the end of the 1970s, EVERYONE had long hair. By then I was getting it cut shorter.
One stupid bumper sticker... Long hair, for Christ's sake. I tolerated everyone's views. I got called a fag because of that and because I talked to the gay guy who did finishing on the kitchen cabinets. (It was the long hair, you know...) One guy tried to pour contact cement on my hair. A stupid redneck who beat his wife and was fresh out of jail for doing so wanted to kick my ass.
Anyone want to know why I got into martial arts?
That f***-up vet can put a bumper sticker on his car telling the world that the Irish are drunk and violent, for all I care. A bumper sticker isn't a human in your face threatening physical violence. I know what that is like. And I know what it is like to be threatened because of your beliefs.
A few years ago we had white supremacists in this town (from North Carolina) preaching hate. For these low-lifes, there really was no excuse. I supported their right to spew their venom. Those who disagreed with their beliefs - including yours truly - expressed it in public forums. I met many good people in the process. I made a financial donation to The United Negro College Fund. And I know a little more about what people really think, which isn't altogether bad. And no humans (or animals) were harmed in the process. On the contrary, a lot of nonwhites found out that their neighbors really cared.
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From an academic point of view, there's another aspect to those bumper stickers that needs to be considered. And this too is discussed in Grossman's On Killing.
Part of what makes it easier to kill in war is to dehumanize your enemy. Right or wrong, good or bad, it'll be easier for Johnny to pull the trigger if he views what's on the other end of the rifle barrel as less than human.
It goes a lot deeper than that. But the point should be considered nonetheless.
Gooks, Nips, Japs, Krauts...
Infidels...
- Bill
Part of what makes it easier to kill in war is to dehumanize your enemy. Right or wrong, good or bad, it'll be easier for Johnny to pull the trigger if he views what's on the other end of the rifle barrel as less than human.
It goes a lot deeper than that. But the point should be considered nonetheless.
Gooks, Nips, Japs, Krauts...
Infidels...
- Bill
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Willy
Bill Glasheen wrote:From an academic point of view, there's another aspect to those bumper stickers that needs to be considered. And this too is discussed in Grossman's On Killing.
Part of what makes it easier to kill in war is to dehumanize your enemy. Right or wrong, good or bad, it'll be easier for Johnny to pull the trigger if he views what's on the other end of the rifle barrel as less than human.
It goes a lot deeper than that. But the point should be considered nonetheless.
Gooks, Nips, Japs, Krauts...
Infidels...
- Bill
Good point, Bill.
But it seems the government seems to forget about these people.
As Willy said, after a soldier fights and comes home, they seem forgotten, nothing is really done to help them and well.....deprogram them.
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