Disturbing law proposed in Afghanastan

[jorvik]

My first reaction when reading of the law was to think what the hell has it got to do with anyone in Canada?. If Afghans want that law then it is up to them ...............but I don't think the law in itself is specifically designed the way folks think it is. A lot of people in Islamic countries look at the west and think it is appalling.
Young unmarried women with hoards of children all being paid for by the state .because it is their right ,,,,,drugs , prostitution etc......and they do have a point,
As to Domestic violence I used to deal with that a lot and what a PITTA that was...............ask anybody who does it. The women takes the guy to court and then after the state has paid a fortune in supporting her and her claims of abuse .suddenly decides that she still loves him and wants to drop all charges ( well at least we didn't waste all that taxpayers money on kidney dialysis machines for toddlers ).......

As they say " a woman doesn't know what she wants......and she won't be happy until she gets it"
old Scouse saying

[Van Canna]

A most difficult subject for sure as Gene points out as well.

There is nothing easy about human nature...especially when along the way emotions get the best of us.

We may discuss and present opinions all we want, but this is the reason why there are professionals qualified to deal with these problems as opposed to our blunderings.

It is really simple: nobody should be forced to do anything...it should always be a matter of choice...but be damn sure of the fact you will accept the consequences of your choices.

And only because you think 'you are in the right' [usually a self serving reflex] does not make it right.

[jorvik]

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"We may discuss and present opinions all we want, but this is the reason why there are professionals qualified to deal with these problems as opposed to our blunderings. "

I am one of those professionals .....what do you need to be a "professional"?...not a lot ...what qualifies us? ..again sad to say " not a lot "
Truth is there are problems in life, always have been, always will be.make folks into a "special group" treat their problems as something special......Race,Gender, Cross dressing, Whatever.............it just won't work, it never has ...Homosexuality was widely accepted by the Greeks and the Samurai.but it won';t be accepted by fundemental Christians or fundamental Muslims..and therein lies the problem..stand up for your rights by all means .........but be prepared to defend them with your life ......because there will be folks who will bring that into the equation.

[Van Canna]

These are the 'professionals' accepted in such a field Ray.

But are we, individually, our own 'professionals' ? We can make a good case for it, as you say.

Over the past two decades I have worked as a psychologist, life coach and sex expert , and I have found that Emily’s attitude is all too common.

And such views don’t bode well for the success of relationships. With increasing frequency, women in their twenties, thirties and forties take a pragmatic, postfeminist view that sex is something over which they have no need to negotiate.

In the bedroom, there is no compromise. If a man has a higher sex drive than a woman, then he can sort himself out.

If he wants to try something new and she can’t be bothered, tough luck to him.

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[Chris McKaskell]

My first reaction when reading of the law was to think what the hell has it got to do with anyone in Canada?. If Afghans want that law then it is up to them ...............

Ah York, the back ground: Canada has troops there who believe they are fighting to bring freedom, education, democracy and universal human rights to the good People of the Nation.

Generally speaking we don't like fighting, but if we can justify it as nation building then that's okay...

All about how you sell it to the people.

A lot of controversy here, I can tell you -- needless to say the official word here has been that our soldiers and NGO's are making great headway and Afgahnastan is being saved from the Taliban. Then this law comes up turning all the rhetoric and propaganda on it's ear.

And that, my friend, is what it's got to do with 'anyone in Canada'.

Personally, I think we, as a nation, are terribly naive and a little too pleasant.

Sorry, I hope I didn't offend anyone by writing that.

[Van Canna]

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[Bill Glasheen]

Personally, I think we, as a nation, are terribly naive and a little too pleasant.

Sorry, I hope I didn't offend anyone by writing that.

If it's your nation, then you are entitled to judge it. We do the same south of your border.

Complex issues indeed. And Sun Tzu would have a lot to say about the importance of the population at home supporting a war effort abroad. Without that support, any such effort can be doomed.

- Bill

[Van Canna]

Under one article legislating the frequency of sexual relations between Shi'ite husbands and wives, husbands have the right to sex every fourth night unless the wife is ill.

[jorvik]

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"Ah York, the back ground: Canada has troops there who believe they are fighting to bring freedom, education, democracy and universal human rights to the good People of the Nation."

Ah now I wonder if folks in Afganistan see it that way ..........or maybe they see us as invaders who have killed their people, destroyed their country and are now intent on destroying their culture and religion..and replacing it with something they consider vile and unGodly..........they didn't ask to be invaded and the reasons given for invading them are just as vague and implaussable as the reasons given for invading Iraq................so why should they be grateful

[jorvik]

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"These are the 'professionals' accepted in such a field Ray."

Sorry Van I thought by "professional" that you meant folks who did this sort of stuff for a living ........part of my job was to persuade folks to give evidence in court and to support them and refer them to other agencies..........over here it is called "Domestic violence" and it can also include homosexual couples or even brothers and sisters.......and like all the PC stuff it is a total waste of time and taxpayer's money.

[IJ]

"they didn't ask to be invaded and the reasons given for invading them are just as vague and implaussable as the reasons given for invading Iraq................so why should they be gratefu."

Reasonable people disagree about the invasion of Iraq, tend to agree that the post war management was a fiasco for a long time, but acknowledge that the invasion of Afghanistan was perfectly logical. The government WAS sheltering a terrorist force which had just killed thousands of our citizens and attacked our centers of travel, business, security, and even the seat of our government.

Helping put a country poisoned by stone age fundamentalist hatred back on its feet isn't easy, but it's darned well justified. What would you have done?

PS: I think some of those people, no longer suffering under the boot of the Taliban's oppressive laws, were perfectly happy to have been invaded.

[Chris McKaskell]

Controversial Afghan family law halted: minister
Last Updated: Sunday, April 5, 2009 | 10:40 PM ET Comments350Recommend98CBC News
Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon says he was informed Sunday by his counterpart in Afghanistan that a new family law, which critics say legalizes marital rape, will be revised. (CBC)Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said he was informed Sunday by his counterpart in Afghanistan that a new family law, which critics say legalizes marital rape, has been halted and will be revised.

"A decision was made to halt this legislation, and at the same time send this package back to the minister of Justice so that the minister of Justice can put together a package that will abide, of course, by the constitution of Afghanistan and at the same time respect the rights of individuals — of course, the rights of women," Cannon said.

The decision was made after a Saturday cabinet meeting attended by Afghan Foreign Affairs Minister Rangin Dadfar Spanta and President Hamid Karzai, Cannon said, adding he believes the Afghan law has now been halted.

The law gives husbands the right to sex every fourth night unless the wife is ill. It only affects Shia Muslims, who make up about 15 per cent of Afghanistan's population.

Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Peter Kent said in an earlier interview on Sunday that Canada expects the Afghan government to revise the new family law.

"We expect the law to be changed [and] certainly not the provisions that concern us to be enacted," Kent said in an interview with CBC News: Sunday.

The minister said it's premature to talk about consequences or a stronger response to what he called an "offensive" law, other than the reaction world leaders have already delivered.

"Canada has made it clear that it expects Afghanistan to fulfill its international treaty obligations, particularly with respect to human rights and the rights of women and girls," Kent said.

"This isn't a time for Canada to threaten to pull out, and we don't believe that it necessary to pull out," he added.

At Saturday's NATO summit in Strasbourg, France, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said the equality of men and women "goes to the heart" of Canada's value system, its engagement in Afghanistan and its opposition to the Taliban.

He also indicated that NATO countries involved in Afghanistan want more than just a review of the controversial legislation, as Karzai promised on Saturday.

"If I can be blunt here, I'm not sure if the alliance is prepared to accept simply soothing reassurances," Harper said.

It has been reported that Karzai supported the legislation to curry favour with traditional Afghans ahead of the country's Aug. 20 elections. The new law, for example, also makes it illegal for women to leave their homes without the permission of their husbands.

U.S. President Barack Obama described the legislation as "abhorrent."

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said his country "will not compromise" in the fight to uphold human rights in Afghanistan.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel told the Bild am Sonntag newspaper the law "fundamentally violates the equal rights of men and women and does not reflect our ideals."

[jorvik]

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"Reasonable people disagree about the invasion of Iraq, tend to agree that the post war management was a fiasco for a long time, but acknowledge that the invasion of Afghanistan was perfectly logical"

The problem is Ian I remember the reasons given for invading both Iraq and Afganistan ..........Iraq was WMD capable of being deployed within 45 minutes.............now Afganistan the US asked for Bin Laden to be handed to them.and the Afgans said if you can prove that he did 9/11 ( Sounds quite reasonable to me ).....and You know when you have a country that harbours and encourages terrorists like the US does then I Really have no time for these kind of sentiments.one rule for you and another for them

[jorvik]

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"Controversial Afghan family law halted: minister
Last Updated: Sunday, April 5, 2009 | 10:40 PM ET Comments350Recommend98CBC News
Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon says he was informed Sunday by his counterpart in Afghanistan that a new family law, which critics say legalizes marital rape, will be revised. (CBC)Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said he was informed Sunday by his counterpart in Afghanistan that a new family law, which critics say legalizes marital rape, has been halted and will be revised. "

Which simply proves that Afganistan is a country still under the thumb of the US and that the US can decide what laws that it wants to impose on the populace.........rather like the farcical killing of Saddam Husain..........now that had nothing to do with the US did it

[Bill Glasheen]

Ray

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- Bill