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Heres a short clip of one being fired out of field artillery
http://photos.imageevent.com/phoenix/mi ... l_nuke.mpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/phoenix/mi ... l_nuke.mpg
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Bill Glasheen
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I was one of those who first thought al Sadr should "figuratively" be nuked. He's a spoiled brat kid looking for some political power. However... Consider these words from The Art of War.
There's a time to nuke and a time to wear them down and make them join your group. With 20/20 hindsight, it appears our leaders got it right.
- Bill
I was one of those who first thought al Sadr should "figuratively" be nuked. He's a spoiled brat kid looking for some political power. However... Consider these words from The Art of War.
One advantage to working things out with the Shia is that they are there now to help root out the insurgency. Most of what causes today's problems are a mix of outsider wannabe jihadists and minority Sunnis from The Triangle who no longer can dominate and torture to stay in power. If it weren't for the Shia and their older religious leader who blessed the election process, democracy wouldn't be on its way.17. Therefore in chariot fighting, when ten or more chariots
have been taken, those should be rewarded who took the first.
Our own flags should be substituted for those of the enemy,
and the chariots mingled and used in conjunction with ours.
The captured soldiers should be kindly treated and kept.
18. This is called, using the conquered foe to augment
one's own strength.
Sun Tzu said: In the practical art of war, the best
thing of all is to take the enemy's country whole and intact;
to shatter and destroy it is not so good. So, too, it is
better to recapture an army entire than to destroy it,
to capture a regiment, a detachment or a company entire
than to destroy them.
There's a time to nuke and a time to wear them down and make them join your group. With 20/20 hindsight, it appears our leaders got it right.
- Bill
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Oh, lets not forget Baathists who are fueling the insurgency too. I have to disagree with you here Bill, we should have showed Al Sadr and his goons whose the boss and in a really, REALLY, bad way. Doesn't matter now, this crap will be dwindled down to low, glowing coals in a couple more years. My point was a smart move with one of our "options" as it is often reffered too could have saved alot of crap our troops (and others) are dealing with now.
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Bill Glasheen
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Baathists and Sunnis = one and the same here. Those who lost power/favor and aren't likely to get it back (because they are in the minority and Saddam is jailed) have the most reason to support the insurgency.
I agree it eventually will grind slowly to a halt. The Americans/Brits won't be there in numbers forever, and Iraqis more and more are the victims of the violence. That won't keep up for long. It would be different if al-Zarqawi and his merry felons had something positive to offer in exchange for what they are fighting, but so far they've shown nothing. Their total plan to date is to try to kill coalition troops and to foment civil war. As the face of the counterinsurgency and the victims more and more become Iraqi, the nature of the insurgency's intent will become more and more apparent.
Indeed as many have said, it is at the end of the day a war of ideologies. And those ideologies wage the fiercest battles where the resources (oil underground) are the most precious.
- Bill
I agree it eventually will grind slowly to a halt. The Americans/Brits won't be there in numbers forever, and Iraqis more and more are the victims of the violence. That won't keep up for long. It would be different if al-Zarqawi and his merry felons had something positive to offer in exchange for what they are fighting, but so far they've shown nothing. Their total plan to date is to try to kill coalition troops and to foment civil war. As the face of the counterinsurgency and the victims more and more become Iraqi, the nature of the insurgency's intent will become more and more apparent.
Indeed as many have said, it is at the end of the day a war of ideologies. And those ideologies wage the fiercest battles where the resources (oil underground) are the most precious.
- Bill
One thing i have to disagree with. Iraq is not ready for a democracy.
Democracy works.......only when the country is developed enough(not how i said, ENOUGH and not first world)
Last time a democracy came to pakistan before musharaf. And as a result, Bhutto stole money fromt he government, and we lost the bangali's. Then all rival political parties broke down and turned into gangs. Last time i visited pakistan(1994) my mom never let me go out on the streets. Why? Because i could have been caught in the cross fire. Car bombs were frequent, drive by shootings.
As selfish as musharaf is, atleast there is peace.
Now look at africa. Democracies are there, but now many have become elected dictatorships. The same goes for Afganistan. After the russians left, warlords were running around, woman would be raped if they were found walking alone, and bad ##### happened. But then the taliban came, things were A LITTLE more secure, but the taliban were.....well nuts.
And look at the insurgency in iraq? Is it really ready yet? Should there not be american rule for a while until its a little rebuilt.
Democracy works when most citizens have some food in thier stomachs, like india was. It was poor, but there were enough people who were happy enough to keep it from breaking down. Now thier taking jobs from americans.
Democracy works.......only when the country is developed enough(not how i said, ENOUGH and not first world)
Last time a democracy came to pakistan before musharaf. And as a result, Bhutto stole money fromt he government, and we lost the bangali's. Then all rival political parties broke down and turned into gangs. Last time i visited pakistan(1994) my mom never let me go out on the streets. Why? Because i could have been caught in the cross fire. Car bombs were frequent, drive by shootings.
As selfish as musharaf is, atleast there is peace.
Now look at africa. Democracies are there, but now many have become elected dictatorships. The same goes for Afganistan. After the russians left, warlords were running around, woman would be raped if they were found walking alone, and bad ##### happened. But then the taliban came, things were A LITTLE more secure, but the taliban were.....well nuts.
And look at the insurgency in iraq? Is it really ready yet? Should there not be american rule for a while until its a little rebuilt.
Democracy works when most citizens have some food in thier stomachs, like india was. It was poor, but there were enough people who were happy enough to keep it from breaking down. Now thier taking jobs from americans.
That one red bomb was funny looking I couldn't imagine standing there seeing a big Cherry cough drop falling from the sky that was going to melt my skin off and leave my skeleton laying there on the ground lol..Wow 
Bad enough to be blown to hell but but being blown to hell by something so comical looking is even worse lol...
Bad enough to be blown to hell but but being blown to hell by something so comical looking is even worse lol...
Jeff
