Why your style *****.

[AAAhmed46]

ORIGINALLY POSTED BY OMEGA ON BULLSHIDO.

Personally speaking some of the nutriders on this board are ##### bugging the crap out of me. None of you are correct, dissect the arguement all you want the bottom line is can you get the job done? Let's start here:

Wing Chun kung-fu: Like most of the stylized kung-fu systems out there they get caught up in the who's instead of the why's and how's. The fixed positions and the inability to expand out of their systems fighting position leaves it vunerable to take downs, angled attacks, multiple person situations, and takes too long to implement the ideas to practical use.

Taekwondo: You're represented by the biggest morons out there WTF and ATA. These orginizations are out for your money, boosting their prestige, and brain washing you into believing that there is a purpose to what they are doing. All the while, WTF specifically, handing you this crock of ##### on how long taekwondo has been in existance. Because of their predjudice outlook toward the karate/Japanese culture in which it originated from they've developed a sport based on a game played over 1000 years ago and make people think they're actually learning how to defend themselves. They refuse to look toward proper training for fighting effectively taking them out of the true realm of martial arts. Now there are some fairly solid TKD orginizations out there but they're not represented by the vast majority thus undermining any attempt at validating their system.

Kempo: Like saying car, there is no true identity for this system of martial arts. Are we Japanese, American or Chinese. Who give a rats ass. Most systems have tried their damndest (is that really a word?) to validate a fairly effective group of fighting techniques while others get bogged down in the muck of trying to lay claim to some wierd Chinese Shaolin authenticity. Kenpo/Kempo has been represented over many years as some of the hardest hitting, most ferocious fighters in existance. There was a reason they became popular but because of greeed they watered it down to a state where you'd be lucky to find an instructor that wouldn't get you killed in your first encounter on the street. Now a majority of kempo guys are fat, out of shape ##### who are more interested in getting your check book then getting in shape. They have gone the way of TKD but fortunately most schools are changing for the better and maybe in the next decade or so they can rise to the prestige they deserve.

Shaolin Kung-fu/Wu Shu: Doesn't exist people it's ##### myth, as a martial arts you are learning to be a ##### gymnast/ballet dancer. ##### stage performers are all they are. If you like that ##### fine but stop licking the balls of these so called Chi masters as if most their stuff wasn't parlor tricks and simple athletic acrobatic techniques. Simple and to the point.

Other systems of Kung-fu: if you aren't training in modern ways then you're not training in Kung-fu. Systems were not to be mired down to tradition they were supposed to change with the time, passing on techniques that worked and adding new ones on to make their respective kwoons "bad ass". Unfortunately you've all seen too many Jet Li and Jackie Chan circle jerk movies and believe half that ##### is real. It's the ##### movies people get over it.

Judo: ##### turning into a bunch of pansies I swear, they outlaw so many moves we're soon going to be left with nothing but a pussified sumo match where only pushing is allowed.

Jujitsu: The problem here is identity. Like so many arts Jujitsu wears many masks and covers many different areas of grappling. Some Jujitsu systems look like modern MMA events while others are so bogged down in theoretical ##### that they have no comprehension on what works and what doesn't work. Bottom line is if you haven't done it against a fully resisting opponent you'll have no idea if it'lll really work. Most of these practitioners get tied down to tradition and never question for a second their "masters" teaching because they've seen him/her throw some cooperative bitch around. Find Jujitsu that works people.

Brazillian Jujitsu: Unfortunately for BJJ schools around the world they're represented by a bunch of newbie snot nose punks. I've seen the way they teach classes and it's a psychologists dream world. A bunch of Males trying to establish a level of Alpha dominance and force their peers to submit and thus establishing a pecking order in the microcosm that is. Two type of guys come out of these gyms. The guys that learn decent technique because they put their ego asided establish a good level of respect for one another and learn and the ##### who develope a bully mentality and never get past their own ego. There's nothing wrong with pride until the pride gets in the way of true learning. I saw over a dozen BJJ fighters go into matches against 'inferior' styles because they saw Royce Gracie do it in the UFC. Unfortunately most of those guys forgot they were doing a sport and the Gracies had been accepting challenges for decades before the UFC came around, their style was designed in neutralizing the mono stylistic stand up fighter who believed they couldn't be taken down. The guys that get mired into the BJJ is all you need to know get caught up into the same downfalls as all the other systems that eventually failed due to their inability to change. The minute you don't fear and give respect to another style is the day you're going to leave yourself open to defeat.

SAMBO: Got caught up in nationalistic pride and failed to branch out beyond the neccessity that developed in the first place. Look we can do throws and all kinds of joint locks but we won't choke people out. How much sense did that make? Fortunately it has made the changes neccessary but sport sambo has not changed with the time and will not succeed until it gets over a lot of the rules that limits it's capablities. Most sambo guys turned to jujitsu, judo and wrestling, you rarely see a pure samboist anymore. Then you have that group that got caught up in the "combat" aspect of sambo. Take a look at the Jujitsu section of this and find out what we think about theoretical martial artist.

Ninjitusu: God what a bunch of freaks. Can this ##### work, I guess so but whats your ##### goal, you want to be a power ranger or a ##### Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. Seriously, what's the point in doing Ninjitsu? ##### Ninjitsu up its ##### ass I have no respect for the art so I might as well end this ##### right here. I here the Taijitsu hand to hand can be quite effective but the other stuff is queer eye for the straight guy gay.

Aikido: WTF, artful form of evasion that's all this is. Great ##### concept but stop saying you're a martial art, you're not. If you're not going to engage the opponent and you're a bunch of whining pacifistic cultist seeking enrichment then fine, go eat your tofu and circle jerk in the corner and leave the real martial artist to the real people. Don't get me wrong I love some of this ##### but if you like most of the aspects and want to learn how to defend yourself find an Aikijujitsu school that does some level of sparring and leave this ##### to the ball room dancers.

Muay Thai: Muay Thai is not kickboxing people, it's what they do but it's not kickboxing. I'm sick of hearing this #####. Muay Thai teaches more than sparring in the ring. Great form of fighting terrible for self-defense. What's that? You heard me, specifically for guys. After you elbow somebody in the face and knee the crap out of their body what are you going to tell the cops "oops?". God no, if you want to learn self-defense take some Japanese Jujitsu/Combat SAMBO stuff, at least if the theoretical stuff doesn't work you can beat the crap out of them afterwards.

Kickboxing: It's a ##### sport people get over it.

Boxing: They're all jealous of MMA fighters. I hate boxing. Hate it.

Wrestlers: Being on your back is not gay.

Freestyle grapplers: This includes the grappling gambit here, going to the ground on the street ***** ass. Been there, done that, if you have and got away untouched you got lucky.

Krav Maga: Probably one of the most effective theoretical based systems I've come across next to Combat sambo. But then again you saw what I said about Combat SAMBO. Unfortunately they got greedy too and allowed a bunch of half educated punks go out and teach there system for obscene amounts of money only to teach nada.

So these are the nutriders I've come across in my nearly 4 years with bullshido formerly known as Mcdojo.com. It's been said before but let me summarize it for you. If you are at a school and you're happy so be it. If you want to look for an effective system that you can learn how to fight you must learn stand-up and grappling. If you want to learn self-defense make sure there's some level of effective sparring that allows you to attempt some of the theoretical ideas. For those stand up guys that think they can't be taken down I hope a grappler comes along and drops you on your head. For those grapplers who think they can take anybody down I hope you get KTFO. For those of you who don't spar and think your ##### really works I hope you get mugged and for all you bullshit artist that weren't even worth my time in mentioning I hope you contract a painful disease and die like the piece of shits you are.

*PS if I missed your style up here and you think you need to say someting let me intercept you comment and use the universal ::: middle finger :::: salute.

[AAAhmed46]

Now OMEGA is a former kung-fu guy and he still practices.

He is also a retired pro-fighter.

Notice how he speared kung-fu just as bad as everything else?


Now i think we should look at ourselves in the same way.

[Stryke]

someones been taking there angry Pill

I pretty much agree , And am tempted to write up uechi and Shotokan

If you dont know the flaws of your system how well do you know it ?

[AAAhmed46]

Yeah exactly.


Why dont you write one up?

[MikeK]

Because he can't find any faults in Shotokan or it's practitioners.

[IJ]

It really wouldn't be that hard to knock a lot of Uechi... whether or not people say that grappling is in the style, few consistently practice against trained grapplers and if its not formally a part of the style don't expect to learn much about it... the number of people you really can do all of those one knuckle and finger tip strikes is quite small... you'd learn more about fighting doing partner work instead of kata, especially focusing on a highly theoretical first one... the partner drills teach you unrealistically elaborate often retreating defenses that deal with few knees, elbows, takedowns and other finishing type moves and presumes a "killer blow" mentality against largely overcooperative peers.

Well, killing on the street isn't why I started Uechi. I pick out techniques here or there I think would work and think that crosstraining is key if you expect to do well in either competition or street violence. And of course your brain is 95% of your safety in real life anyway. Uechi has some excellent kata and principles and adapts well to incoroporating other styles, and its home...

What do people think of "mixed martial arts," defined as, say, those core techniques that well rounded competitors in the UFC use? Now you can't bite, hit the back of the head or the groin, knee a downed opponent and so on, but those are reasonable safety precautions built in to allow the stuff to be practiced full bore.... and you can always bring out the teeth if you need em. I'm not saying it's perfect--but it's been a clear evolution in terms of what works in the octagon from the early days to now. How would people trash MMA?

[miked]

Here is my question:

What would Uechi Kanbun be studying if he were alive today?

IMHO, he went out to find the best and most effective system that was available to him (at the time, dependent on his circumstances).

So which system would fit with this mentality in today's world?

My answer to the builshido rant is that it is not the system but the man (or woman) that counts. Better instruction typically brings out better practitioners but ultimately the "cream rises to the top" because of diligence and hard work.

Is Uechi a complete system (including grappling and pressure points)? Yes, when taught by someone who understands the non-obvious applications of technique.

The ultimate test is:

Does it work?

The answer is yes, based on any number of individual stories from Uechiu practitioners who have faced real-life dangers.

Does Shotokan work?

The answer is yes. For proof, the late Dr. Bernd Weiss of Los Angeles and a senior Shotokan instructor, documented and compiled real life stories of Shotokan students fending off attackers usng Shotokan techniques.


Does Tae-kwon-do work?


The answer is yes. For proof, read the truth about the famous tree incident at the DMZ in Korea that occurred in the 60's. Trained senior South Korean Taek-kown-do practitioners who were also ROC members killed North Korean forces using Tae-kwon-do techniques (remember, no weapons were allowed in the DMZ so the fight was hand-to-hand after the Americans got their butts literally kicked).

Does kung-fu work?

The answer is yes. Anyone ever hear of a guy named Bruce Lee who apparenly used Wing Chun in honor fights on the streets of Hong Kong?


Does Judo work?

The answer is yes. For proof, talk to Judo Gene Le Bell here in Los Angeles about effective use of techniques.

Do the other systems work?

The answer is yes. For proof, talk to the senior instructors and learn how they or their students handled real-life dangers.

Regards,

Mike D.
Los Angeles

[Stryke]

Because he can't find any faults in Shotokan or it's practitioners.

nah it`s only me thats perfect

nothings perfect , it`s the folks who preach there system as the ultimate that ussually have little knowledge .

having said that most of the styles listed can provide a very solid base , and all can contribute to a well rounded martila artist .

And nothing wrong with being a one style traditionalist , as long as you understand what and why your studying and have realistic expectations of your one style .

[AAAhmed46]

Just yesterday i had a phone conversation with a wing chun buddy of mine i had met long long ago and sparred.

He probably improved alot, since he trains in a new style and school(that also offers _ing _un)


But when i mentioned "So what do you think of UFC and PRIDE fighters?"

And he said "Until they allow tiger claw and Eye pokes, i wont watch it, I train for the streets where i will kill my opponents, for these guys it's just a sport"

This attitude still lives on in soooo many stylists.

Maybe more people should read this post.

[IJ]

I'm sure MacGyver stopped a Scud missile with a paperclip and a piece of duct tape once, but the real question is, is that the best way to approach the problem? Doubtful. I jest... but again the UFC has faults but its shown us that you can't be one sided in anything and expect to do too well against trained opponents. Everyone has their style but anyone who's anyone has shown that they've trained in different arts (or one braod mixed art) and either they're competent with a range of techiniques or at least with defeating opponents trained in them.

Extreme examples might be aikido and tae kwon do. If you're facing serious combat you don't want to basically omit all strikes or kicks OR only learn how to kick and barely to punch and not to grapple (TKD as widely taught, at least).

[AAAhmed46]

Yeah but to say that ufc fighters cant fight on the street?

Look at Bas rutten, he was a bouncer and he learned krav maga, and it's obvious from his lethal street defence tape that he knows the difference between sport and street.


Chuck liddel apprently has a big Kenpo(or is it Kempo?) influence, im sure all the eye gouges and what not are still with him.

So will your tiger style claw do anything?

[IJ]

On the contrary, I'm imagining they CAN fight on the street. It's not fun to roll around on concrete if you have to be on your back, and there aren't any chairs or beers mugs in the UFC, or weapons, but those details would be easy to add and they'd begin with a broad based, practical > theoretical foundation.

[Bill Glasheen]

[Jake Steinmann]

On the contrary, I'm imagining they CAN fight on the street. It's not fun to roll around on concrete if you have to be on your back, and there aren't any chairs or beers mugs in the UFC, or weapons, but those details would be easy to add and they'd begin with a broad based, practical > theoretical foundation.

Having met/trained with a few guys who have fought in the UFC, I think it's worth pointing out that a number of those guys have some experience with fighting outside of the ring.

And in general, they're all strong, explosive, well-condition athletes with incredible natural aggression and mental fortitude. I wouldn't want to rumble with them in an unrestricted environment (at least in the UFC, the ref can save me when I get knocked out )

[-Metablade-]

One of the main reasons why I never stayed with a certain art for more than a few years was due to most schools' inability or unwillingness to have realistic fighting and situational drills.
It is very true that most arts have highly valuable technique inside of them, but if they are not tested against realistic, new, and consistent scenarios, then what good is the art for fighting in the first place? While I feel that Bullshido.com has in itself it's own sets of narrow-minded "freak-jobs", there is merit to the article.

I view training these days with this mindset:

For the Dojo, the rules and training benefit me as a person, and to help develop my social attitudes towards others, and to aid my personal growth on many levels.
To me, this is the "art" portion: Tradition, education, respect, personal achievement and reaching for excellence.

On the issue of "real fighting" I care about only what works, and frankly, I toss out the rest. This is why despite the hundreds techniques I have been exposed to over the years, I currently only have a core grouping for which I train,
and only because these are tried and true, and have been thoroughly tested through realistic and real life combat.

I should add, that one of the most excellent features of Kendo is that both are encompassed, save for the mental process of "knowing" that you cannot be killed or seriously hurt.

I have always been an advocate of training as the art requires, but also setting apart some training for "real-life" situations and scenarios.

Lastly,
What Bullshido.com and the author of that article is doing isn't new. Flaming other styles as ineffective or deluded has been going on since the inception of Martial Schools.
The only difference being, is that in today's environment, a challenge can be posted in utter safety, rather than showing up to a Dojo, issuing a challenge, and risking life and limb to back up those criticism.