Katyn Forest
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:38 am
After hitler had abrogated the Treaty of Versailles and reoccupied the Rhineland an all out program of military expansion and militarization of all industry took place in Germany.
Hitler never won a single election, but the well Respected General Von Hindenburg was president in 1933.
Real power rested with the Chancellor much as real power in many Parliamentary states lies with the Prime minister.
Hindenburg named Adolf Hitler Chancellor in 1933 as I recall.
Please correct me on this because I write often totally on memory and am quite glad of any audience and any corrections.
By 1939 Hitler had managed to annex Austria, reoccupy the Rhineland (despite France's then overwhelming military superiority), rearm the Wermacht, destroy the SA, create the SS and Waffen SS, defang the Powerful Chezch Army, annex the defensible eastern part of Chezchoslovakia in the name of freeing the Sudeten Germans . and invade Poland, I beleive, in September of that year 1939.
The Sudetenland was a dagger pointed into the heart of Poland.
Hitler may have been a monster but, I have to say, he was neither stupid nor a coward.
Points for another thread.
Despite the size of Poland's army and the dedication of its troops, a policy of Give No Ground along the Borders was adopted and disaster quickly ensued.
Strong points were surrounded or bypassed, to be plucked later at leisure when logistical support dried up.
The indefensible "Danzig Corridor" was quickly retaken.
The creation of the corridor to the city now called Gdansk had been created by the calamitous Treaty of Versailles. It also separated Germany from East Prussia and were yet other cassus belli handed to Hitler.
The Luftwaffe had primarily been created for the purpose of supporting the Wermacht.
This specialization cost Germany dearly in 1940 but not in Poland as German forces crashed in from the West in September of 1939.
At an apparent appointed time, Soviet Forces smashed into unsuspecting Polish forces from the East.
I will not detail the ground actions.
Most of the Polish Officer Corps was captured, many in the East.
Hitler's initial avowed goals for Germany were 1. to obtain Liebensraum, or room for expansion for the Master Race and 2. to oppose Communism. 3. to liberate Germanic people separated from the Fatherland by the unjust Treaty of Versailles as well as those of the former Autro Hungarian Empire who were 'ethnic Germans".
In Truth, Versailes was vindictive and short sighted and never even ratified by the US Congress.
So, the unlikely and most evil brotherhood ever established quickly crushed Poland.
German and Russian frontiers were "adjusted" according to some agreement neither side wished known.
Perhaps in captured German Archives some details of this may exist.
Hitler, of course, had varied from his implacable hatred of Stalin only as a matter of convenience, and the same could be said for Stalin's feelings for Hitler.
In 1943 German forces, now even stronger than in 1939, even though the Luftwaffe's weakness in the area of Strategic Campaigns lost the Battle of Britain and forever cancelled "Operation SeeAdler".
Hitler launched 180 divisions into the Soviet Buffer zone of former Polish land.
The forces totaled 1.5 million men. The code name for the Operation was Operation Barbarossa . Paul Carrell's Opeartion Barbarossa Hilter mMoves East" is well written and complete.
German 'Divisions" were smaller than their counterparts.
In the course of the Invasion a tremendous mass grave was uncovered in "a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from Smolensk in Western Russia."
The Wermacht exhumed the bodies.
The conclusion bandied about was that the Soviets had massacred the bulk of the Polish Officer corps to anihilate any non Communists.
Stalin had planned ahead. Another monster who was not stupid although, of course, both men were evil, flawed, warped by power and little mourned in the end.
Nonetheless, of course, maintained that the Germans had conducted the horrendous massacre.
Before the truth of the matter could be objectively determined, the Soviet Army retook its lost territories, swept through Poland and conducted further exhumations. It was the part line that said it was indeed the Nazis who had murdered those buried in Katyn Forest.
No Suitable explanation has ever been seen by myself as to how the Wermacht freed, transported and then murdered those who must have been POW's of Russia.
"in 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power----" and the ushering of Glasnost along with completing the destruction of the Cult of Stalin started by Kruschev----"Gorbachev finally admitted that the the Soviet NKVD-"predecessor of the KGB and meanng: "Impossible to tell when I will return home".
Perhaps this referred not to its members but its victims"------had executed the Poles and disclosed two other burial sites-----"containing some 25,700 Poles" the execution of whom had been ordered by Stalin.
Some proof of this can be explained by western reports of skulls bearing 'crucifom' wounds conforming to the type of Bayonet in use by Russian Forces and as mounted on the M1891 Moisin Nagant repeating bolt action rifle. Nazi bayonets were, as were ours, of dual purpose blade type design. M1891 Bayonets were said to never have been removed from the Rifle once it was issued in wartime.
Much more is available on this horrific incident and I have my research out and standing by should any questions come up.
Part of my point is "never surrender all power to one's government no matter how good an idea it may seem at the time".
As an aside, American Aircrew captured in Korea and Vietnam and subsequently transported to the USSR have never been satisfactorily accounted for.
"o the tangled webs we weave when first we practice to decieve'
JT
Hitler never won a single election, but the well Respected General Von Hindenburg was president in 1933.
Real power rested with the Chancellor much as real power in many Parliamentary states lies with the Prime minister.
Hindenburg named Adolf Hitler Chancellor in 1933 as I recall.
Please correct me on this because I write often totally on memory and am quite glad of any audience and any corrections.
By 1939 Hitler had managed to annex Austria, reoccupy the Rhineland (despite France's then overwhelming military superiority), rearm the Wermacht, destroy the SA, create the SS and Waffen SS, defang the Powerful Chezch Army, annex the defensible eastern part of Chezchoslovakia in the name of freeing the Sudeten Germans . and invade Poland, I beleive, in September of that year 1939.
The Sudetenland was a dagger pointed into the heart of Poland.
Hitler may have been a monster but, I have to say, he was neither stupid nor a coward.
Points for another thread.
Despite the size of Poland's army and the dedication of its troops, a policy of Give No Ground along the Borders was adopted and disaster quickly ensued.
Strong points were surrounded or bypassed, to be plucked later at leisure when logistical support dried up.
The indefensible "Danzig Corridor" was quickly retaken.
The creation of the corridor to the city now called Gdansk had been created by the calamitous Treaty of Versailles. It also separated Germany from East Prussia and were yet other cassus belli handed to Hitler.
The Luftwaffe had primarily been created for the purpose of supporting the Wermacht.
This specialization cost Germany dearly in 1940 but not in Poland as German forces crashed in from the West in September of 1939.
At an apparent appointed time, Soviet Forces smashed into unsuspecting Polish forces from the East.
I will not detail the ground actions.
Most of the Polish Officer Corps was captured, many in the East.
Hitler's initial avowed goals for Germany were 1. to obtain Liebensraum, or room for expansion for the Master Race and 2. to oppose Communism. 3. to liberate Germanic people separated from the Fatherland by the unjust Treaty of Versailles as well as those of the former Autro Hungarian Empire who were 'ethnic Germans".
In Truth, Versailes was vindictive and short sighted and never even ratified by the US Congress.
So, the unlikely and most evil brotherhood ever established quickly crushed Poland.
German and Russian frontiers were "adjusted" according to some agreement neither side wished known.
Perhaps in captured German Archives some details of this may exist.
Hitler, of course, had varied from his implacable hatred of Stalin only as a matter of convenience, and the same could be said for Stalin's feelings for Hitler.
In 1943 German forces, now even stronger than in 1939, even though the Luftwaffe's weakness in the area of Strategic Campaigns lost the Battle of Britain and forever cancelled "Operation SeeAdler".
Hitler launched 180 divisions into the Soviet Buffer zone of former Polish land.
The forces totaled 1.5 million men. The code name for the Operation was Operation Barbarossa . Paul Carrell's Opeartion Barbarossa Hilter mMoves East" is well written and complete.
German 'Divisions" were smaller than their counterparts.
In the course of the Invasion a tremendous mass grave was uncovered in "a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from Smolensk in Western Russia."
The Wermacht exhumed the bodies.
The conclusion bandied about was that the Soviets had massacred the bulk of the Polish Officer corps to anihilate any non Communists.
Stalin had planned ahead. Another monster who was not stupid although, of course, both men were evil, flawed, warped by power and little mourned in the end.
Nonetheless, of course, maintained that the Germans had conducted the horrendous massacre.
Before the truth of the matter could be objectively determined, the Soviet Army retook its lost territories, swept through Poland and conducted further exhumations. It was the part line that said it was indeed the Nazis who had murdered those buried in Katyn Forest.
No Suitable explanation has ever been seen by myself as to how the Wermacht freed, transported and then murdered those who must have been POW's of Russia.
"in 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power----" and the ushering of Glasnost along with completing the destruction of the Cult of Stalin started by Kruschev----"Gorbachev finally admitted that the the Soviet NKVD-"predecessor of the KGB and meanng: "Impossible to tell when I will return home".
Perhaps this referred not to its members but its victims"------had executed the Poles and disclosed two other burial sites-----"containing some 25,700 Poles" the execution of whom had been ordered by Stalin.
Some proof of this can be explained by western reports of skulls bearing 'crucifom' wounds conforming to the type of Bayonet in use by Russian Forces and as mounted on the M1891 Moisin Nagant repeating bolt action rifle. Nazi bayonets were, as were ours, of dual purpose blade type design. M1891 Bayonets were said to never have been removed from the Rifle once it was issued in wartime.
Much more is available on this horrific incident and I have my research out and standing by should any questions come up.
Part of my point is "never surrender all power to one's government no matter how good an idea it may seem at the time".
As an aside, American Aircrew captured in Korea and Vietnam and subsequently transported to the USSR have never been satisfactorily accounted for.
"o the tangled webs we weave when first we practice to decieve'
JT