I would like for some one to track this down. I started in a style that used white, brown, black but kyus were always used. I have heard this repeated numerous times but I have never seen any thing definite about the introduction of colored belts. Judo has used them for long time and my guess is ...

Hm, gold belt was usually given to kobudo masters by the original rengo kai in Okinawa

Nakazato of Shorin Ryu claimed he could easily kill with a front kick. Yamaguchi Gogen thought the elbow was for this purpose. I think it is the move that you favor and work the most with(given certain parameters)

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bill Glasheen:
Bill S.

So there does seem to be some general discrepancy.

Yes, the scene I picture in my head of Hamada sensei booting you because of incorrect eye positioning is (pardon me) hilariously ...

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Bill S.

You and I have many memories...

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Yep that we do. I remember Hamada Sensei saying that he was,as we were, to him his most dangerous challenge. The bottom line is ...

Bill, may I remind you of what our former teacher said about this? (Which I might add he taught me by kicking me) Always look at your opponent

If ones goes back far enough in Japanese martil arts history the founder trained ith a mountain mystic or a mountain demon. The old way of naming a dojo or a place was the same as naming a style. It was really only in this century that the name gamers have jumped in.

Please dont get me wrong. I train with many
other teachers. I look for good folks but they are folks who help flesh out the base system that i was bought up with.

However, look at many items kanbun uechi studied how long under his instructor 10 years. there doesnt seem to be any record of his studing with anyone else. The Okinawan tradition is full of similar stories. At some point one must make the art his/her own.

If one goes back and checks the histories of many of the old masters, they trained for maybe 10-20 years with a teacher and then went on their own. Their improvement was a function of their continual training and working hard. At some point it falls to the person to work hard to improve their own ...

All I have known Bill for long time(from his Shorin Ken days) and can tell you there isnt a deeper thinker about budo. He examines the art from the mat and the book. bunburyodo fits him to a tee. back to lurking

[This message has been edited by Bill Stockey (edited 12-27-99).]

Well, you should be very happy tody. Anybody but Cleveland