Post your Sanchin Kata Video here

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:54 am

Hey , got to plug the Uechi clubs mate

Just hope Gary doesnt get bad press from my terrible Sanchin

Rick Wilson · Post by **Rick Wilson** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:59 am

You are fast Laird. Marcus' Kata can also be found here:

http://www.wilsonkarate.com/videos/marc ... dec_04.wmv

Have a good look folks, this guy just learned Sanchin this spring.

Randy Pelletier · Post by **Randy Pelletier** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:16 pm

Marcus, very impressive since you are a Shotokan guy and been doing this for a short time. You are a natural at grasping this stuff. Very well done with lots of fluid movements and power.

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I hope things are well with you.

Laird, sorry we missed you last night. We were talking about how to abuse you for not showing up and let me tell you, it was getting nasty and very funny. But since we are all mature individuals, we decided to let it go. See how wise I am getting in my old age?

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:04 pm

Thanks Guys

Ok everyone , constructive criticisim required

, lets get some discussion going .

I`ll start of by posting some great points from Rick .

Looking forward to the feedback

Hi Marcus:

I was exceptionally impressed with this clip.

You have indeed moved on to higher level of performance.

There is a true loose power to your strikes that many may miss but it is THERE!

Your flow is progressing as well.

I am very impressed. Really liked the bow!

Let me offer a couple of places to go:

1) I would offer a slight adjustment on the approach to the opening. This is just my take mind you. When you bring ht hands to your hips, also bring the foot you intend to step forward with to your other foot. Have the heels almost touch and your toe pointed outward about 45 degrees. What this does is cock the hip (as you do later when you strike). Then strike as you step out using the uncoiling for power in the step and the strike of the opening.

It all happens then in one action. Having uncoiled for the strike you have over extended past Sanchin on the strike allowing you to draw back with the recoil to Sanchin.

2) Stepping is an art in itself that is not often thought of yet to strike your enemy you must often go to them. You step has excellent power but to take it to another level you must now remove the segmentation of the power. In other words, you have the three lines of force but now they must become one moving force.

This is done by leading with the knee. If you watch your knee it does not lead on the third line of force. Try thinking of the circle as you step.

3) Your strikes are really something and I can tell you have the grounding. Now, on that last instance of the strike “DROP.” Sink everything back down right out the bottom.

Just an awesome Job.

If you want I can post these on the thread as well or just keep them to yourself.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:14 pm

Randy, heap on the abuse, it's always nice to take some Edmonton souvenirs back to the mountains, and it's the abuse that keeps me coming back.

The pain just lets me know I was at the Wilson Karate School and not just visiting a dance studio. Besides it's a long trip to just hang with men in tights

BTW how would the abuse you planned be any different than what you guys usually do too me

See you soon , have a great Christmas my friend, and give everyone a few bruises on my behalf...and maybe a few extra for the roofer and the banker

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:31 pm

Marcus, I enjoy your kata, they have evolved a great deal in the past few months. I find it much more predatory, and I like that.

Looks like your starting to generate more power.

Looks Like the IUPA is in good hands in New Zealand. We need a summer camp there Marcus, it would give us Albertans a chance to escape winter

2Green · Post by **2Green** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:21 pm

Hi Stryke.
Arrhh, mate, yer a Sanchin'er now!
Here are my comments, just based on what I'm used to seeing:
1: Avoid up-and-down motion. Pretend you're in a room with a ceiling one
inch lower than your height. Try to maintain that one-inch-from the ceiling
distance. This will make your kata even more predatory.
2: Keep the shoulders down especially when drawing back for the Sanchin
strikes. This will impart a recoiling tension in the shoulder, which can be
unleashed into the strike.
3: Don't overextend the strikes or shoot them too high. (The ceiling again!)
4: Watch the stance, and also the "guard" hand, which tends to wander while
the other is striking.
5: This will sound bizarre...but: try to take the large overt motions and
make them more internal, without reducing their power. The Sanchins I'm used
to seeing have a very compact and concentrated look with a lot of
short-range force, delivered in sharp, explosive bursts.
There aren't a lot of sweeping or swirling-type motions as there are in
later Kata.
6: Finally, remember that trademark 1000-yard stare in Sanchin...straight ahead, like an animal fixed on its target.

Anyway, it's awesome how you can do it so well in such a short time; you
have a fast learning curve!

Hope any of this helps.

NM

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:33 am

Neil were on the same page , I discussed a lot of those points with Rick

Im aware of an overotation of the shoulders , I think its because i`m chambering to low , Ive got to iron out a few habits , the striking is the part of the kata Ive been focusing on least . The targeting and chambering are next on the list .

5: This will sound bizarre...but: try to take the large overt motions and
make them more internal, without reducing their power. The Sanchins I'm used
to seeing have a very compact and concentrated look with a lot of
short-range force, delivered in sharp, explosive bursts.
There aren't a lot of sweeping or swirling-type motions as there are in
later Kata.

Understood Neil and will probably head there a little later on , for now I`m trying to learn the mechanics and am going through a process of relating it to what I already know ..... I personally think theres should be a bit of movement though although i`m aware I`m a bit exzagerated at the moment .

3: Don't overextend the strikes or shoot them too high. (The ceiling again!)

there deffinately to high , It`s the same problem as the chambering ... habits ... Im going to work on this , as you can see my strikes heading for the centre line and the throat ..... Shotokan anyone

4: Watch the stance, and also the "guard" hand, which tends to wander while
the other is striking.

thanks Neil , good point , it`s all still a little forced , i`m hoping this will improve as I try and co-ordinate the three lines of force as Rick has mentioned , I`ve really isolated the three segments to get to this point , now some bringing it together is required .

6: Finally, remember that trademark 1000-yard stare in Sanchin...straight ahead, like an animal fixed on its target.

I`m figuring the intensity will lift when I can do all this without fearing falling over

, the stare ... well i`ll just say i dont want to practice that look , it`s kinda natural when needed .... I do however wanbt to practice projecting my intent , if i can keep it more constant I`m sure it`ll help with the lead hand wandering .

Thanks for all the feedback , is a great help , please feel free to comment on my form anytime

and Laird

Very well done with lots of fluid movements and power.

Seems Randys surprised Banff Uechi-ryu guys generate power ... you must be going soft on him

Thanks Randy , and feel free to add any tips on my kata , they are appreciated

Marcus, I enjoy your kata, they have evolved a great deal in the past few months. I find it much more predatory, and I like that. Looks like your starting to generate more power.

Looks Like the IUPA is in good hands in New Zealand. We need a summer camp there Marcus, it would give us Albertans a chance to escape winter

Heh you guys know your welcome anytime , food and drink and good times provided

2Green · Post by **2Green** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:48 am

Whew! We're still friends!

I have a friend who builds computers etc., and is a total cyber-head...I've contacted him about video-ing and uploading my kata, I think he'll be into it. I don't have any equipment to do it, and I only have 56k dialup at home, but I'd really like to post some so it doesn't seem like i'm "sniping" from behind a curtain, as it were.

You guys have laid your forms on the line for all to see, I'd like to do the same and put my kata where my posting-mouth is. I feel a bit guilty commenting and not participating, you know what I mean?

NM

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:00 am

hey Neil of course

I understand I`m on 56 k at the moment too , am changing soon though , just seems the installers are busy ... must be christmas or something ....

nothing wrong with constructive advice , we dont even have to agree .

I respect your opinion and I`d love to see you and your kata if it works out , if not no problems

I think anyone who posts themselves has to have a fairly thick skin , to do so otherwise is maybe Naive ... the fact remains were the same folks regardless .

I`m enjoying my kata and need the feedback , so i cant loose .

benzocaine · Post by **benzocaine** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:33 am

Marcus,

Glad to see you are practicing

And once again my respect for posting your kata on an open forum.

A few tweaks I'll offer for you to take or leave are:

1. Try and use your hips and body but be subtle in their use so as to not let the upper body and head move. This helps in avoiding "telegraphing". You'll be pleasantly surprized to find you can generate just as much power in your strikes..try it.

2. Keep those elbows in, and don't turn your hand over until the end of the strike.. try and keep that palm up until the end and your arm will begin to turn the hand over naturally. Try my recent training aid post and see if that helps for the elbows in.

3. My people teach the strikes are to a little area just over the pectoral muscle and under the collar bone(clavicle). I know you are aware of your ingrained habit to trike throat and center line so... just trying to help with the targets there.

Also watch these mpeg files.http://www.uechi-ryu.de/mpeg.htm See how little Master Uechi moved his upper body?

Hope this helps.

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:08 am

Thanks Ben good feedback , Ill reply to your points as I did Neils to encourage discussion

1)1. Try and use your hips and body but be subtle in their use so as to not let the upper body and head move. This helps in avoiding "telegraphing". You'll be pleasantly surprized to find you can generate just as much power in your strikes..try it.

Understand this is classical Uechi approach , I`m coming form a slightly different paradigm at the moment .

I`ll be making the motions a bit smaller but not a lot ... I realise i`m still going up and down a bit but I feel the rest is ok , I can drop the power from a very short distance these days (attribute this to lots of patience on Lairds part) . What I`m after is generating the feel of base and rotation , Rotation is a huge power dynamic that I feel at this point needs to remain in my kata . It adds blading , drawing , absorbtion , power , and utilises the sanchin draw and lead hand as alive technique IMHO .

My shoulders are moving to far in this clip , Its mainly due to my chambering being far to low , another habit I will break

As to not moving the upper body and moving the hips that would be a huge mistake and waste any power generation gained IMHO

As for telegraphing , I dont think I really have one of note , I think my kata emphasis is just different .

2. Keep those elbows in, and don't turn your hand over until the end of the strike.. try and keep that palm up until the end and your arm will begin to turn the hand over naturally. Try my recent training aid post and see if that helps for the elbows in.

Absolutley agree on the elbows , is something I havent concentrated enough on , goes with Neils comments on loosing direction on the front hand , and Ricks comments on how i need to intigrate it all .

It`s a lack of bringing it together and a consistency of intent , I will iron this one out is great feedback .

As for turning the hand over i dont think it`s terribly early , what you cant see from the angle is the length of my strike , I`m probably reaching a couple inches at least further than the average Uechika would , It`s Ricks loose striking dynamic I give credit to this , it`s letting the force flow into the infinity . I will take a look and reveiw and check the clip , but i`m used to the turn over and honestly think it is just the extra reach through the target .

3. My people teach the strikes are to a little area just over the pectoral muscle and under the collar bone(clavicle). I know you are aware of your ingrained habit to trike throat and center line so... just trying to help with the targets there

Im actually going to try change the target to about two inches below the Nipple , theres a nasty Ouchie point there and it makes sense to me that if the draw was used offensively the neck would be about that height , but good target i`ll keep it in mind .

Thanks for the great feedback mate

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:25 am

Was just watching the Kanei clips , whats with his shoulders ?

he does have the rotation dynamic minimilised , but theres no way i could acheive that shoulder position without some surgery and maintain the dynamic .....

am i seeing things ? , it seems more than rolling the shoulders .

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:43 am

I suspect rotor cuff tears Marcus. Good eye mate. Maybe Bill can comment but it looks like some damage shoulders don't normaly extend that far forward do they? Mine do but only because the bottom traps don't work any more

JimHawkins · Post by **JimHawkins** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:28 pm

Stryke wrote: theres no way i could acheive that shoulder position without some surgery and maintain the dynamic .....

In the Sanchin clip?

I thought the elbows have to be out in front of the body about a fist and a half away.

In WC there are positions similar as is used in Sanchin but are moved all the way onto the line, so Sanchin would be done with the elbows and forearms nearly touching. Many new students have trouble with this but most gradually learn to 'relax' their shoulders enough to get the elbows in.