Repetition, even of innocent things MAY be dangerous

[Rick Wilson]

Repetition, even of innocent things MAY be dangerous:

BB Magazine October 2005 “The Dangers of Repetition” by Jim Wagner:

“Let me tell you a true story I heard while training the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in British Columbia. Several years ago, a violent suspect confronted a constable. He pulled a gun from his jacket and pointed it at the officer’s chest. The officer, who was an avid martial artist, immediately disarmed the suspect -- and then gave the gun back without thinking. In the course of his martial arts training, he had conditioned himself through repetition to return the gun to his training partner after each disarm.”

Mr Wagner goes on to say the officer tried to get the gun back and was shot in the shoulder but survived. He also says he thought this would be an isolated case but found other cases where the same thing had happened.

These forums have discussed before that under the chemical dump you will do what has been ingrained such as putting shells in your pocket when reloading instead of letting them drop to the ground.

This may happen even if the ingrained response is something as ridiculous as giving the gun back to the bad guy.

Mr. Wagner suggests looking at your training for these odd things that are harmless in the dojo but potentially lethal or just dangerous in the street.

For example, how many after knocking a partner down in many drills offer to help them back up?

So we reach a helping hand down to the potentially dangerous offender who just tried to take our head off????

Hmm, yet another adjustment in training coming.

[Ruiner]

Sounds like the bad guy is going to beaten to unconsiousness in the Wilson dojo

No helping hand up for the bad guy! Make him stay down!

Good post, something to consider.

[Rick Wilson]

When you coming back up to visit?

[Ruiner]

Well I've been working two jobs on Wednesdays (when Laird normally comes up) However that will change in a few weeks.

I hope to come soon!

[jorvik]

That is a big problem..folks take their practice out onto the street....wrong ...when I did Aiki we used to do knife disarms ( .how foolish was I then ).............no such thing really, anyway I used to get the knife and as soon as I'd got it , I'd slice across the guys throat, of course they were wooden knives .folks use to laugh at my Scottish ancestory surfacing.or maybe I was just a psycho or fantasising.......but they all started to copy me ...because it lookes cool

[Guest]

David Moy and Raffi Derdarian are both Knife Fighter with a Uechi Ryu background. Good luck taking a knife away from one of those guys.

[JimHawkins]

Folks may have noticed in WCK there are a lot of 'push away' moves... Well here you have one reason for this in training and in application.. The point being after you do whatever you do you to them as they say you 'send them away' either away and down, away and into a wall, away and into another attacker, etc. This is normally done quite violently and as you see in Gary Lam's clips – the reason for those padded walls.

[Guest]

Jim, what is the deal with that wooden dummy? Why is it designed the way it is?

[jkolb]

Folks may have noticed in WCK there are a lot of 'push away' moves... Well here you have one reason for this in training and in application..

This reminds me of doing Goju-ryu over the summer when I couldn't do Uechi. One of the instructors told me that the traditional way of ending bunkai or kumite was to push the other person away at the end of the drill. This was to both let the other person know that the drill was over and to make sure the guy was done for.

[Stryke]

Im planning on building a wooden Dummy , would be good for forearm conditioning I think , at practicing grabbing and striking when thers no meat puppets left

[Guest]

Ahhh you have discovered they wear out mate! Good on ya!

[Stryke]

[jorvik]

Marcus,
Here is something I learned only last week, the wooden dummy is not for conditioning it is to develop sensitivety.you don't just bang it, your hands and arms slide around it .maybe Jim will elaborate more

[Stryke]

hey Jorvik , i`m with ya good stuff , It seems to make sense to use one from what i`ve been doing .

Reinforcing position grabbing , and transfer .

Sensitivity maybe in positional awareness , but Dummy dont hit back

wheres the resident ving tsunner when ya need him

Actually i was watching some Bruce Lee doco footage , I forget which one ..( I`m a geek got a couple ) but one of his old students was emphasising the grabbing and striking .

things I do but never seem to do with enough intent and focre on a training partner ... was thinking maybe an inanimate object would be the ticket .

[jorvik]

Marcus I saw a dummy that was like a belt that you tied around a tree or telegraph pole, old telegraph poles make good dummies
with WC it's all about feeling energy and using sensitivety.the forms are not forms in the conventional sense, like say in Hung Gar were it's different techniques put together, in Wc the forms are instructional forms for sticking hands which is the be all and end all of Wc, then you have the dummy which reinforces the forms and is useful when there is no one about to practise Chi-Sau with.........you also do learn structure and position in the forms, that's a beginners take anyway ..............Jim will probably give a much Better explanation when he pops by.