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Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:49 pm

good song mate , If you do try uechi again make sure you tape the testing

I`d love to see that !!!

jorvik · Post by **jorvik** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:00 pm

I've got the "Uechi gaze" mate.......and the madness to back it up

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:03 pm

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:22 pm

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:08 pm

Funny thing is_

I brought extreme conditioning to Uechi as in this shot_ I am the tall guy on the left_

The kind of kicks in the legs and body, the tackles, the power head shots against a soccer ball moving at the speed of sound, forges the body and will_ like no other.

This is the body and mindset, Taki was butting himself up against to his dismay.

No wonder when I kicked opponents with those power legs they would just fold in two.

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:24 am

Uh, how is it possible for someone to kick a parking meter and bend it without damaging your shins? I mean, i can believe a guy can break a baseball bat using his shins, because wood is not as dense and bone(Look it up, im right...i think) but a parking meter, atleast in canada, are really thick. And i dont think conditioning can make a mans shins stronger then steel.

But then again, Mas Oyama used to punch out bulls so...im willing to accept any arguement against my reasoning.
*mind opened*

Can anyone clarify this? Tell me im wrong? Tell me im right?

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:43 am

Your right , unless it was a pathetic parking meter the facts have been stretched as occurs .

Perhaps he kicked it and over time the legends grown .

Happens a lot , evertime the stroys told it grows .

I should tell you about the fish i caught sometime ....

I originally let it go , but i`m of the same opinion .

And while the Mas Oyama thing is true , it was more he wrestled Bulls

he threw em down and snapped some horns of etc , he may hav knocked them out or something , but it was no one shot kill even for God Hand

and they were little things compared to Alberta Beef

theres pics and stuiff of it about .

Rick Wilson · Post by **Rick Wilson** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:05 am

“Good to have you back John. I thought the B-3s (Bad,Bully,Boys) scared you away.”

Don’t worry about John, George. You cannot exclaim the virtues of hard conditioning and run off when you are called on your words.

Which is all those horrible bad boys did by the way, folks. And it is something that should continue to be done when people cross the line or they will never learn where it is.

I am sure John can handle it.

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There is a deteriorating sense of morals and ethics in the world because people do not speak out when they need to. (Please note this last part is generic comment on my day at work and is in no way directed at John.)

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:58 am

Why does Johns post now say Guest ?

has he been moderated , or has he self destructed ?

f.Channell · Post by **f.Channell** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:02 pm

I've been tested numerous times by Takimiyagi and he tested hard but it didn't bother me.

I think the hard test has nothing to do with Sanchin training however and everything to do with situps and bench pressing in the gym.

Perhaps the Sanchin testing is more a demonstration of jar training and that sort of thing.

I'm still waiting for Sanchin to bestow the powers of walking on tea cups and rice paper with breaking and tearing them, so maybe I have to wait longer.

I will say that a demonstration of the Sanchin test does get people to join Karate classes. So this is a good thing, although perhaps for the wrong or a misguided reason.

F.

Dana Sheets · Post by **Dana Sheets** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:18 pm

The hardest I ever hit a student in my life during a sanchin "check" was when we had a student who was preparing to test for his shodan in front of a group of seniors from Chatan Dojo. It was his choice to test in front of them. And I would have done him a disservice had I not tried to prepare him for the level of hitting he got because it is very different from our own training. It really didn't like seeing the bruises I gave him every week. But we only did it once the bruises had healed again. When he returned from the test he had passed and had understood why we don't check that way regularly.

I think the major problem is that hard hitting in sanchin used to be done for the benefit of the spectators during a demonstration and somehow it is now the status quo to consider hard sanchin checking for the benefit of the student. And there are many people doing and teaching Uechi who may not know this history and may not know of, or choose not to believe, this part of Uechi history.

We all know that even gentle sanchin hitting could drop a white belt on the first day if they're not from figthing stock. Particularly checks to the neck. I typically leave the neck alone until they get to green belt. So my question is really why do we need to continue the hard hitting in sanchin during class on a regular basis? Should it not be kept for demonstrations and dan gradings as a measure of progress? Let students beat the bejesus out of each other in conditioning drills if they're both up for it. But let's leave the pounding where it belongs - in demonstration mode.

This could even be handled clearly for students in class. If somone is watching class and you think they'd appreaciate the hard training and not be scared off by it you can ask for volunteer students to demonstrate the harder training. Then even in the context of the class it is made clear that this is a demonstration event (like breaking ceiling tiles) for both the student and the spectator and not a focus of regular training.

Dana

JimHawkins · Post by **JimHawkins** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:52 pm

For demos – who among the audience can really tell if the contact is hard or really hard? I mean unless you're going to do a flying kick on them and allow the resounding thud and green facial color to be seen and heard who is going to know the difference besides the person being tested and the tester? For a way cool demo might as well just stomp the floor with each hit like the WWF guys do and finish with a folding chair over the head and ketchup..

Seems to me a lot of this stuff is a “manly right of passage”, Zen suffer me Buddhism, hazing ritual thingy

Dana Sheets · Post by **Dana Sheets** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:02 pm

For a way cool demo might as well just stomp the floor with each hit like the WWF guys do

I've seen a fair amount of that too..

It is, after all, a demo. Caveat Emptor.

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:52 pm

Conditioning: how about your face, jaw, back of the neck? How about the lower abdomen? Your solar plexus.

In a street fight you will be hit there, not in your abdominal wall _ and you will not be kicked in the legs. And under the dump you will not feel any real pain until the next day.

We do lots of ‘conditioning’ but I train my students to take you out if you crowd him with intent, and to move in as he perceives any hostile motion. This is Karate. The WKS way that I really like.

We ‘condition’ our students; we also lead them down ‘primrose path’ _

How about letting Tony 'sanchin check' a few of you aficionados?

Be sure you have an emt standing by.

JimHawkins · Post by **JimHawkins** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:24 pm

Van Canna wrote: I train my students to take you out if you crowd him with intent, and to move in as he perceives any hostile motion.

And then block?

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