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Bet the VP's list of hunting companious just got shorter :o

I bet he's NRA qualified :lol: Drives left votes right :lol:

Don't you just love the bit about the medical assistance rendered by Cheney's staff? Taxpayers be damned :roll:

However, the VP's office was so forthright and upfront ... no press release until after the incident was reported in the national press and a day later :oops:

I got a bird for old eagle-eye to shoot :P



Cheney Accidentally Shoots Fellow Hunter
By NEDRA PICKLER, AP

WASHINGTON (Feb. 12) - Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot and wounded a companion during a weekend quail hunting trip in Texas, spraying the fellow hunter in the face and chest with shotgun pellets.

Harry Whittington, a millionaire attorney from Austin, was "alert and doing fine" in a Corpus Christi hospital Sunday after he was shot by Cheney on a ranch in south Texas, said Katharine Armstrong, the property's owner.

He was in stable condition Sunday, said Yvonne Wheeler, spokeswoman for the Christus Spohn Health System in Corpus Christi.

Armstrong in an interview with The Associated Press said Whittington, 78, was mostly injured on his right side, with the pellets hitting his cheek, neck and chest during the incident which occurred late afternoon on Saturday.


"The covey flushed and the vice president picked out a bird and was following it and shot. And by god, Harry was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty good."
-Katharine Armstrong, ranch owner

She said emergency personnel traveling with Cheney tended to Whittington until the ambulance arrived.

Cheney's spokeswoman, Lea Anne McBride, said the vice president met with Whittington and his wife at the hospital on Sunday. Cheney "was pleased to see that he's doing fine and in good spirits," she said.

The shooting was first reported by the Corpus Christi Caller-Times. The vice president's office did not disclose the accident until the day after it happened.

Armstrong said she was watching from a car while Cheney, Whittington and another hunter got out of the vehicle to shoot at a covey of quail.

Whittington shot a bird and went to look for it in the tall grass, while Cheney and the third hunter walked to another spot and discovered a second covey.

Whittington "came up from behind the vice president and the other hunter and didn't signal them or indicate to them or announce himself," Armstrong said.

"The vice president didn't see him," she continued. "The covey flushed and the vice president picked out a bird and was following it and shot. And by god, Harry was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty good."

Whittington has been a private practice attorney in Austin since 1950 and has long been active in Texas Republican politics. He's been appointed to several state boards, including when then-Gov. George W. Bush named him to the Texas Funeral Service Commission.

McBride did not comment about why the vice president's office did not tell reporters about the accident until the next day. She referred the question to Armstrong, who could not be reached again Sunday evening.

Armstrong, owner of the Armstrong Ranch where the accident occurred, said Whittington was bleeding and Cheney was very apologetic.

"It broke the skin," she said of the shotgun pellets. "It knocked him silly. But he was fine. He was talking. His eyes were open. It didn't get in his eyes or anything like that."

"Fortunately, the vice president has got a lot of medical people around him and so they were right there and probably more cautious than we would have been," she said. "The vice president has got an ambulance on call, so the ambulance came."

Cheney is an avid hunter who makes annual hunting trips to South Dakota to hunt pheasants. He also travels frequently to Arkansas to hunt ducks.

Armstrong said Cheney is a longtime friend who comes to the ranch to hunt about once a year and is "a very safe sportsman." She said Whittington is a regular, too, but she thought it was the first time the two men hunted together.

"This is something that happens from time to time. You now, I've been peppered pretty well myself," said Armstrong.

The 50,000-acre Armstrong ranch has been in the influential south Texas family since the turn of the last century. Katharine is the daughter of Tobin Armstrong, a politically connected rancher who has been a guest at the White House and spent 48 years as director of the Texas and Southwestern Cattle Raisers Association. He died in October. Cheney was among the dignitaries who attended his funeral.

Associated Press writer Paul J. Weber in Dallas contributed to this report.


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Ignore the fact that it's the Vice President for a moment...

Should he have his firearms license yanked?

Gene
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Did they mention anywhere If he made the shot ?
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Gene DeMambro wrote:Ignore the fact that it's the Vice President for a moment...

Should he have his firearms license yanked?

Gene
Gene,

I think Mass is one of the few states that have an FID card.

Most other states allyou need to buy a gun is proof of citizenship and an instant background check.

In the town of Carver MA there was a big problem with the Cheif of police, Diane Scoog, "accidentally" losing peoples FID (firearms I.D.)requests, and she even refused many the right to have a concealed weapons permit.

She refused my FID request because of traffic violations :lol: That's OK. I now live in Virginia and own a shotgun three rifles, a pistol, and a crossbow. Scoog can take her FID's and put them in a safe place.
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Put an "A" type personality like Cheney whose a walking heart attack in the field with a 78 year old man whose primary hunting qualification is his millionaire status as a Republican political supporter and the accident you are looking for happens.

Just because you can shoot doesn't mean you can hunt. And you should never let one hunter separate and come up behind the remaining party.

So Cheny can't see the unnaounced hunter coming up from behind nor see his orange vest because he's following the flight of a covey of quail .

I'm sorry Mr. VP that's no excuse. I hope they burn your butt for hunting without a proper license.

This is an unfortunate civilian analogy of the too frequent reports of "friendly fire" on the battle front.
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The rule of bird hunting is that you are side by side, and agree upon the coned area you will shoot . You never fire beyond the point in between the two of you.

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Gene wrote:
Should he have his firearms license yanked?
This is a common misconception. And Ben, you pretty much got it right.

I think it's important for all martial artists to know the laws of their states. Mr. Cheyney does not need a license to carry a shotgun. And in most places in this country, you don't need to have a license for or registration of a handgun either.

There are some states that allow folks to apply for a license to carry either a concealed handgun or - more broadly - a concealed weapon.

Again, learn the law! It's the kind of thing a martial artist should know. And I emphasize that the law varies tremendously from state to state.

Another thing...
"The vice president didn't see him," she continued. "The covey flushed and the vice president picked out a bird and was following it and shot. And by god, Harry was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty good."
These are the facts we know. So when I see this comment...
John wrote:
So Cheny can't see the unnaounced hunter coming up from behind nor see his orange vest because he's following the flight of a covey of quail .

I'm sorry Mr. VP that's no excuse. I hope they burn your butt for hunting without a proper license.
... I need to call BS.

1) Nowhere did it mention in this article that ANYONE was wearing blaze orange.

2) What the heck does "hunting without a proper license" mean? This comment makes no sense.
John wrote:
Don't you just love the bit about the medical assistance rendered by Cheney's staff? Taxpayers be damned.
If it bothers you that much, I'll pay your share.

If it was you on the side of the road, I'd come to your assistance in a New York second. And if I was on the job and someone told me they were going to dock my pay for time as a Good Samaritan, I'd tell them to dock twice as much so I could have money in the bank for the next time someone was in need.
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However, the VP's office was so forthright and upfront ... no press release until after the incident was reported in the national press and a day later
There are other parties involved, and confidential medical information at stake. Even the press will refrain from giving names and details until "next of kin" have been properly notified. And in my business I could get up to a quarter million dollar fine per infraction for divulging such medical information.

I think the public can wait a few days...
Someone wrote:
I got a bird for old eagle-eye to shoot
I really think you want to be careful what you post. There are laws on the books concerning suggesting that certain "entities" be shot. We really don't want anyone to be confused.

Right???

In the mean time, I'd be interested in hearing what Mr. Castanet can offer concerning hunting safety and operating within the law.

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Gene DeMambro wrote: Should he have his firearms license yanked?
Plain and simple.... Yes. (At least his hunting license, if he did not need a fireams license)

According to http://mcalesternews.com/opinion/feeds/ ... pstoryview
Cheney purchased a hunt license in November, Texas Parks and Wildlife Department spokesman Steve Lightfoot said.
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Bill Glasheen wrote:
John wrote:
So Cheny can't see the unnaounced hunter coming up from behind nor see his orange vest because he's following the flight of a covey of quail .
... I need to call BS.

1) Nowhere did it mention in this article that ANYONE was wearing blaze orange.
Bill,
From http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/ ... -hunt.html
CBC News wrote: The men were less than 30 metres apart and both wearing orange vests.
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Thanks!

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ljr wrote:
Gene wrote:
Should he have his firearms license yanked?

Plain and simple.... Yes. (At least any license he needed, firearms or hunting, although as stated before, he may not have needed either)
You two Massachusettes people need to read up on your law.

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Bill Glasheen wrote:
ljr wrote:
Gene wrote:
Should he have his firearms license yanked?

Plain and simple.... Yes. (At least any license he needed, firearms or hunting, although as stated before, he may not have needed either)
You two Massachusettes people need to read up on your law.

- Bill
He did have a hunting license... and I think it should be pulled. Do you believe he should keep it?


From:
http://mcalesternews.com/opinion/feeds/ ... pstoryview
Cheney purchased a hunt license in November, Texas Parks and Wildlife Department spokesman Steve Lightfoot said.
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Hello all. I hate it when someone with high visibility does something stupid with a firearm. It reflects badly on the rest of us. However, the person shot may have walked where he should not have been. Being around firearms as much as I am I see some intersting things.
In the mean time, I'd be interested in hearing what Mr. Castanet can offer concerning hunting safety and operating within the law.
An important point to make is that hunting laws and laws regarding handguns and personal protection are separate areas. Since I am not a hunter I cannot really speak to that issue.

The picture of Kerry was appropriate. When he was doing his gun thing he made a few blunders, like walking forward of the firing line while it was hot, finger on the trigger while not in a safe location... Some of those pics were posted on other sites but the press made no mention of that. Oh, and he had an illegal firearm when he did a photo-op in WVa.
There are some states that allow folks to apply for a license to carry either a concealed handgun or - more broadly - a concealed weapon.
At present, for concealed handgun permits, there are 38 'shall issue' states. Eight are may issue. Only four prohibit concealed carry by civilians.
Kansas and Nebraska may go from the prohibeted to shall issue this year.

When you consider long guns, such as shotguns, states like Iowa that prohibit concealed carry are excellent states for deer hunting and have few limits on long gun ownership. In New York, which is a politically driven 'may issue' state for concealed handguns, rifles and shotguns are readily available. Likewise in New Jersey. Even in NYC the venerable Winchester 30-30 lever action rifle is allowed.

Concealed handgun permit holders are extremely law abiding and safe firearm owners... nationwide less than one half of one percent of all permits have been revoked for any reason. If someone has the stats on hunter safety I would like to see them. I do know that accidental deaths from all types of firearms have been going down for years and is now at the lowest level ever recorded. At the same time gun ownership is at an all time high.

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RACastanet wrote:Hello all. I hate it when someone with high visibility does something stupid with a firearm. It reflects badly on the rest of us. However, the person shot may have walked where he should not have been. Being around firearms as much as I am I see some intersting things.
Rich,
I agree with you on your first point about doing something stupid....

The one point I do have to make about the person being shot walking where he should not have... When hunting, you should always know where your hunting partners, guides and dogs are... if you do not know where everyone is, you should not shoot... missing a bird is no big thing...

should be interested in seeing how this will be played out...
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He did have a hunting license... and I think it should be pulled. Do you believe he should keep it?
Though you didn't ask me, let me answer.

Yes.

Have you ever been in a car accident?

More people are killed every year in auto accidents than guns. Let's get real here.
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