Bullseye

[Bill Glasheen]

fat, slug-like republican white men (is there another kind?)

........
And to those critics who are so pessimistic about our
economy, I say: "Don't be economic girlie men!"

For your entertainment...

Arnold Schwarzenegger: 2004 Republican National Convention Address

Couldn't resist, Meta.

- Bill

[RACastanet]

Metablade: I challenge you to join me for a brawl in the 'Bear Pit' at Quantico with a few of my republican friends:





Bill: This is a bar room brawl! Time: Late October and the water was already pretty brisk.

Rich

[John Giacoletti]

Check out the Maries on the shore all holding mouthguards. These guys are no dummies. If you're going to tussle, be prepared!

More News:

Cheney Was in Violation of Game Laws
Veep Cited After Blasting Hunting Buddy With Bird Shot
By NEDRA PICKLER, AP

WASHINGTON (Feb. 13) - Vice President Dick Cheney was in violation of the game laws of Texas when he accidentally shot and wounded his hunting companion because his license lacked a required hunting stamp.

Also ...

Under the rules of hunting, the shooter is responsible for knowing his surroundings and avoiding hitting others.

"We always stress to anybody that before you make any kind of a shot, it's incumbent upon the shooter to assess the situation and make sure it's a safe shot," said Mark Birkhauser, president-elect of the International Hunter Education Association and hunter education

Consider the outcome if the roles of Cheney and his hunting companion were reversed, i. e. if Whittington shot Cheney. The Secret Service would have ?????????? him.

Cheney has a moral and leadership responsibility to issue a public apology. I am waiting.

[RACastanet]

Check out the Maries on the shore all holding mouthguards. These guys are no dummies. If you're going to tussle, be prepared!

I always use a mouthguard when training MCMAP. There are two levels of aggression used... high and higher.

Here is a one on one. Anyone can call anyone else out into the pit. I believe that is the XO in there.



Would you be up to the challenge?

Rich

[Gene DeMambro]

Thank you for encouraging me to read up on the law. I purposely left my statement vague, to apply to the state/jurisdiction the VP was hunting in. And if anyone knowsw Texas law, I welcome their commentary. Yes, I am aware that laws regarding firearms vary from state to state. But anytime you wish to discuss Massachusetts law, Bill, I am all ears....

The administration could have stated that the VP accidentally injured a hunting companion, without mentioning any names or violating privacy. Newspapers due it all the time. My problem is that it took the owners of the land the VP and his party were on to make the story public. This administration has serious problems with keeping people well informed, no matter what the subject.

Rich, how do the Marines treat their Democratic members? Any derision foisted upon them for not being Republican? And what does a soldier's political affiliation have to do with anything anyway?

Gene

[RACastanet]

Rich, how do the Marines treat their Democratic members? Any derision foisted upon them for not being Republican?

All Marines love each other. Truly. Whatever the race, religion or political persuasion.

And what does a soldier's political affiliation have to do with anything anyway?

All US service personnel are sworn to uphold the constitution and support the Commander in Chief. Period. The Marines live by that.

Don't know about soldiers (Army) personally but there is a conservative lean in the USMC.

Rich

[David Talley]

Rich, how do the Marines treat their Democratic members? Any derision foisted upon them for not being Republican? And what does a soldier's political affiliation have to do with anything anyway?

They send them to the Coast Guard.

Guys it was an accident. We have all had them. Ok, most of us have never accidently shot someone but it happens. I don't see how you can turn this into a political thing. If you want to make accidents political then Ted Kennedy has some explaining to do.

[Glenn]

My problem is that it took the owners of the land the VP and his party were on to make the story public. This administration has serious problems with keeping people well informed, no matter what the subject.

According to a news report, announcing the accident was deferred to the land-owner. Rather than an attempt to keep it secret, it was part of the decision-making process as to who would release the information, when it would be released, how, etc.

It's a no-win situation for politicians. Feeding-frenzy reactions by opponents forces politicians to not make quick news statements about events like this, no matter what party affiliation. Everything has to be carefully reviewed before release, leading to delays. Which then results in accusations of cover-ups and withholding information. It's an unfortunate by-product of politics.

A sign of the times is that a day is considered too long to make a news release, a by-product of public craving for immediate information on 'celebraties' (to loosely use this term to refer to anyone the media and public take note of). In the not so distant past it would have taken a few days at least, possibly weeks, for the news to circulate.

[Bill Glasheen]

Good points, Glenn.

I find this fascinating.

The administration could have stated that the VP accidentally injured a hunting
companion, without mentioning any names or violating privacy. Newspapers due
it all the time. My problem is that it took the owners of the land the VP and his
party were on to make the story public. This administration has serious problems
with keeping people well informed, no matter what the subject.

Several who have articulated their "dislike" of the present administration find
"serious problems" with a "delay" in reporting an accident that happened between
two friends on private property. And the "traditional press" is all over this. How
could he!!

Meanwhile, I see something very different. This is Texas. It happened on private
property, and on the land of the person who was injured. One of the residents
of the property was allowed to release the story to the reporter of her choosing.
And she chose the local Caller-Times of Corpus Christi, Texas. That tiny newspaper
scooped the Washington Post, the New York Times, The Globe,
the LA Times, CBS, CNN, etc., etc.

It was the landowner's and victim's decision where and when to release the news.
Meanwhile, the editor of the Caller-Times has been interviewed on major news
networks around the nation, expressing how grateful he was that his paper is
receiving all the attention.

Oh my...

Did someone want to stir up a little bit of dust? Did someone want to take a poke
at arrogance in the media?

Hmm...

As I often say, it is what it is.

And I still say it was not our business if the victim decided to wait until his needs
were met before a media frenzy ensued. I don't particularly feel "uninformed."

Twenty four hours? Sheeesh... I still have plenty of time to prepare before Cheney
comes hunting in my neck of the woods...

- Bill

P.S. I haven't heard Teddy expressing outrage...

[benzocaine]

[Bill Glasheen]

Cheney cleared in hunting accident

By David Jackson, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — A Texas sheriff's office cleared Vice President Cheney of any
wrongdoing in a shooting accident at a ranch Saturday.

Cheney accidentally shot fellow hunter Harry Whittington while both men were hunting
quail Saturday. The Kenedy County Sheriff's Office near the South Texas ranch
interviewed both men after the Secret Service called to notify them shortly after the
shooting.

"The investigation reveals that there was no alcohol or misconduct involved in the
incident," the sheriff's office said in a statement late Monday. "This department
is fully satisfied that this was no more than a hunting accident."

Cheney did violate one small legal requirement, however. His office said Monday
that while Cheney had a $125-dollar non-resident Texas hunting license, he lacked
a required $7 stamp to hunt upland game birds such as quail. In a statement,
his office said Cheney has mailed a $7 check for the stamp.

[Valkenar]

Cheney's just lucky he was hunting with other rich men. A less wealthy man might've sued, and what a fuss that would make. But that would never happen of course. Dick Chenery would never voluntarily spend time with a lowly commoner.

Also, I counter the picture of Arnold Schwarzengger with this:
http://www.bestoday.com.au/albums/Funny ... negger.jpg

And no, I don't think all rich old conservative white men are flabby. That's absurd.

[RACastanet]

Dick Chenery would never voluntarily spend time with a lowly commoner.

I have a good friend who has spent thousands of hours with the VP and has told me that Dick Cheney is completely down to earth... a really nice guy. This could not be said about his predecessor.

Possible case in point...

A few years ago I did favor for some of his staff and did not think much of it. A few days later a personal note arrived in the mail from the VP thanking me. I blanked out the note on the letter but the thanks and signature is in Cheney's own hand. Also, I blanked out my address on the envelope as certain forum trolls have caused me some trouble.

See this:



I am a staunch conservative but in no way a major contributor and have not contributed $1,000 total to the RNC in my life. This was a personal thanks to a 'liitle' guy in Richmond.

Rich

[Gene DeMambro]

I am doing my absolute best to not make this political. VP Cheney's politics have nothing to do with the fact that he goofed. But the record does show that, over the years, there is less and less information coming from this administraton - on all topics - than in the past. That is what it is. It may be private property, and between two friends. But one of the friends is the VP of the United States, and that's national news. A "minor" delay while facts are checked, information is gathered and ducks (or quail) are in a row. But if there was an intentional decison made to sit on the news for political reasons....I don't know.

Kennedy? Has already faced his transgressions and has answered for them.

Publish and be damned!
-Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington

Gene

[Stryke]

Isnt it a little naive to think politicians want consider the politics of a situation