More from the McDojo crowd...

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 3:58 pm

TSDguy wrote:Well I'm in a video mood tonight. This is quite possibly the sweetest back kick ever. Look at that head whip!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lgGrnw9_P8

Yes, those kicks are potentially deadly. Is what we teach in Dan Kumite enough to stifle such a hammer?

Getting into the ring with top TKD/TSD/MDK kickers will teach sobering lessons on what you need to defend against such setups.

Bill

Sigh...

I guess the thing I like best about the karate bunkai is that wicked "ready" stance. Imagine standing like that in front of a Longshoreman wearing some good-old-fashioned steel-tipped boots.

The thing that cracks me up the most is his first .... uh ... "block" of that haymaker.

Ha...a man who speaks my language.

Bob M · Post by **Bob M** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:33 pm

Back kick was sweet, both fighters appeared to only want to play at one range, striking. Worked for the dude with the back kick the other guy ran straight into it.

The gymnastic display with all the high spinning flicky stuff doesn't do much for me. I'm impressed with the fitness and athletic ability, but to be honest I have rarely seen any of that crap in a fight.

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:00 am

I disagree with the veiw of the gymnast , while not martial , he clearly has the attributes that 99 % of martial artists lack .

the only lacking is mindset and strategy and experience .

and that wasnt a demonstration of any of those things .

all we have is attributes and strategy and experience

he`s a 1/3 of the way there , I thnk a large percentage of dojo rats dont have that much .

the truth is fighting is mostly about the top few inches , but couple that with incredible athleticisim and It`d be better than amazing .

Bob M · Post by **Bob M** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:19 am

Yeah ability to use ones body and/or strength are a bonus. but not a guarantee of ability. Without mindset there is nothing. I've seen some incedible physical people enter the dojo and go nowhere.Without a doubt the dude in the clip can move his body....doesn't meen it will translate into ability.

The two dudes in the fight clip probably don't have the athletic ability of the high spinning flicking guy...but at least we know they can hit.

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:33 am

Absolutely , as I posted

But I`d pick an athlete with mindset over a karateka without any day .

But i think were agreeing , from two different directions .

every now and then you find someone who has both , and then your in buisness .

f.Channell · Post by **f.Channell** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:01 am

Van,
The spin kick defense in Dan is okay if you know it's coming or if it's a slow one.
At that kind of speed I see only a linear movement forwards or back being effective.
I vote for getting out of the way of that one!!
Spinning techniques develop lethal power with their use of momentum.

Course one can see Van doing one in the video section back in the day.

Sensei Bethoney also has an incredible one, with excellent timing.

F.

IJ · Post by IJ » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:35 am

If I'm not able to either be in kansas or close enough to elbow then choke, I'd settle for a kick to the lower back as a response to a spinning kick. You have to read the kick coming to do well anyway, since they can be so powerful.

The athletic kicking guy was more dancing than fighting. But for all we know, he can fight too. Or not. Not what the video was about.

Oldfist · Post by **Oldfist** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:59 pm

-Metablade- wrote:Even more laughs..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6027844594

You just can't make this stuff up!

Oh..wait..

Behold Ninja Bob's chi

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:10 pm

Good points, Fred, Ian.

Those kicks by the real good kickers usually found in Korean styles, such as Hapkido etc, fire and enter in between ‘heart beats’.

They will ‘hammer’ even in the split moment of your ‘read’ _

The best defenders against such ‘torpedoes’ are noted for controlling up close ‘distance’ _ meaning the ‘moving’ as the intent to kick is being formulated_ and shutting down the ‘launch pad’ _

I see this concept in the ‘Dantai No Kata’ as taught by Toyama sensei to help program the ‘shut down’ _

A whole different concept of engagement, something we don’t practice.

benzocaine · Post by **benzocaine** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:30 pm

I see this concept in the ‘Dantai No Kata’ as taught by Toyama sensei to help program the ‘shut down’ _

A whole different concept of engagement, something we don’t practice.

Do you know Dantai No Kata, and would/do you teach it?

chef · Post by **chef** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:01 am

FWIW, Bill, I know where Ray Barry is. He is teaching Shotokan at Randolph Macon College in Ashland. Some of my friends go over there to work out with him on a regular basis. I think I am going to go over there soon and sit in on one.

I have heard good things about him. My Shotokan instructor, Al, knows him.

Later,
Vicki

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:31 pm

Yes, I actually have some contact information for him. He has an "artist in residence" position at RM college.

His character has evolved (mellowed) through the years. But he always was and always will be an interesting individual.

By all means, pay him a visit.

- Bill

-Metablade- · Post by **-Metablade-** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:37 pm

This is hysterical!

http://www.bullshido.net/modules.php?na ... iew&id=222

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:12 pm

benzocaine wrote:
I see this concept in the ‘Dantai No Kata’ as taught by Toyama sensei to help program the ‘shut down’ _

A whole different concept of engagement, something we don’t practice.
Do you know Dantai No Kata, and would/do you teach it?

Sorry for the late response Ben.

No, I am not qualified in teaching it. Sorry.

benzocaine · Post by **benzocaine** » Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:57 pm

Van Canna wrote:
benzocaine wrote:
I see this concept in the ‘Dantai No Kata’ as taught by Toyama sensei to help program the ‘shut down’ _

A whole different concept of engagement, something we don’t practice.
Do you know Dantai No Kata, and would/do you teach it?
Sorry for the late response Ben.

No, I am not qualified in teaching it. Sorry.

Not a problem Van. It sounds like a great skill to know.