why do I see more style bashing?

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:07 pm

Jim

I never realized you were a "grand student" of Ted Kresge. He's quite the "enigmatic" character.

It's a shame you didn't have a chance to learn from some other sources. Ted got mega intense in a kind of martial something, and then gave it all up for Jesus. Unfortunately it left a lot of people without good instruction.

Interesting guy though... These days his Christmas light shows are legendary.

- Bill

Willy · Post by **Willy** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:45 pm

Ray trains only the good stuff and is doing us a favour by telling us we ******

He knows he read it in a report or something.

jorvik · Post by **jorvik** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:24 pm

Hey willy,
you sound just like my good friend Laird

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It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
and it is better to not quote folks when you don't have the intelligence to refute arguments except by quoting folks

Mary S · Post by **Mary S** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:00 pm

Man, you guys have to chill out and find bigger hills to die on!!!

And Willy - STOP POSTING PICS OF MY MOM!!!!!!!!!

a.f. · Post by **a.f.** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:59 pm

Yet another one. What load of horse manure.

I hold black belt ranks and over 20 years experience in both karate and judo/jiujitsu. Karate is effective in the context for which it was developed - to defend oneself against armored samurai who carried swords. Most styles of karate (95%, at least) have not drastically changed their curriculum to accomodate for folks who are not wearing 50-80 pounds of armor and are not carrying swords. If these styles had changed with the times, their techniques would look more like boxing or muay thai.

Additionally, most (95%) karate styles and classes I've seen do not practice full contact. Therefore, they never get the chance to hone their techniqes against attackers who are moblie, and resisting. Judo & Jiujitsu do just that. So teach these karateka how to sprawl. But their lack of adapting their techniques at full power and full speed against a resisting attacker will make it very difficult for them to defeat a similarly trained judoka / jiujitsu man / muay thai practicioner / boxer.

And to further agree with Sasae as to the point of karate going away as an art for adults - that is exactly why Funakoshi made the changes to the art that he did - to make it better for kids. Karate is great for kids. Then, somewhere between age 12-15, depending on the child, they should switch completely over to Judo, BJJ, and or Muay Thai.

Unfortunately, I don't think it will ever go away completely for adults... the media and movies have hyped it too much. And there are just enough disillusioned out there that will believe anything they are told.

MikeK · Post by **MikeK** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:24 am

And to further agree with Sasae as to the point of karate going away as an art for adults - that is exactly why Funakoshi made the changes to the art that he did - to make it better for kids. Karate is great for kids. Then, somewhere between age 12-15, depending on the child, they should switch completely over to Judo, BJJ, and or Muay Thai.

I love that myth. First it was Itosu around 1900 that had started teaching karate in one of the middle schools on Okinawa. From what I understand Funakoshi started out teaching university students not pre-teens. Does the writer ever say why someone should move over to Judo, BJJ or Muay Thai?

a.f. · Post by **a.f.** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:51 am

Because he thinks karate is ineffective. All these guys say,

"I am a dan rank in karate, and I can testify first hand that karate *****."

Bill, you're the medical professional here. Does surgery exist in which one can relieve a swollen head?

Willy · Post by **Willy** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:15 am

your moms hot!

AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:26 am

Tell them what style of karate, how do they train, what are thier goals then discuss.

Doesnt work, fight them in a throwdown!

Willy · Post by **Willy** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:36 am

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AAAhmed46 · Post by **AAAhmed46** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:10 am

Oh dont be so hard on him.

In a way he's right, lots of uechi jokers messing up a good style.

But that said, though bad uechi is popping up, there is ten times as much bad wing chun, though once again, not because of the styles lack, but the people mess it up.

Here is proof of wing chuns deficiency.

Dont worry, uechi is also blasted by bullshido, though in a 'karate' thread and not just single styles of karate.

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=34870

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthr ... =Wing+Chun

I didnt want to stoop down low enough to dig up crap against another style, and i know ill end up pissing off Jim as well, while it isnt my intent. Just trying to prove that by saying muay thai is infinitly more powerful then uechi-ryu in every way is rather strange coming from a guy who studies an art with a reputation just as bad as karate.

Willy · Post by **Willy** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:10 am

In a way he's right, lots of uechi jokers messing up a good style.

yeah as in all styles it's mostly crap. Ray is all right . I've got my knickers in a knot because I know there is some truth to his words. Lots of crap in Uechi just like every other style out there.

Willy · Post by **Willy** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:13 am

look no touch ko

it must be chi!

Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:50 pm

Always wondered about that video. Any idea of what caused those animals to keel over and scatter?

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:50 pm

Pretty funny, no? Alas for the no touch KO folks, it's just an interesting genetic deflect (sic).

Some of it (like a recent poodle shown on TV) represents a severe case of narcolepsy. The poodle in question would fall asleep - quite literally - whenever it got excited. However I believe these goats represent the "opposum" response. "Playing possom" basically means going vasovagal (loss of blood pressure) due to extreme fright.

- Bill