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Van there is a lot of stupidity in my country about knives :evil: ...........the press/the politicians and the police somehow blame the knives as though they actually killed people..they even have a name for it "Knife Crime"......nice and simple, so the plebs can understand it and chant it as a mantra :cry: ...now if they just called the folks who did these things "Murderers" it might bring home more forcefully that there are killers killing people ............but they don't want that, what they want is a populace incapable of defending itself.........here are some stories which tell the story a lot more effectively than anything I say can :roll:

firstly since this is an old amnesty, here is something written 20 years ago

I would imagine that by the time this item is published, most constabularies around the country who have held an 'amnesty' for knives and other weapons will be reporting good results; 'good' but futile.

Now my dictionary defines the word 'amnesty' as meaning a general pardon for an offence, in which case this particular form of amnesty has been a complete waste of time. Out of the hundereds or even thousands of edged eapons handed in, how many have been used, or were intended to be used, in the furtherance of crime?

Who has surrendered the weapon?

There are three kinds of knife. There is the type kept for a sensible purpose such as survival (in various forms), the knife used as a tool of ones trade such as for carpet fitting, leather trimming, etc, and for a variety of general purpose use such as by farmers, forestry workers, warehousemen and so on, ad infinitum.

These are not offensive weapons and since they have not been used 'for an offence' the term 'amnesty' does not apply. Some of these will have been handed in, but not many. Why should they be?

The second kind involves those blades brought or handed down as souveniers, whether fancy paper knives, grandads old bayonet which he took from a German soldier at the battle of Casino, or uncles collection of Kukri's from when he served in Burma. This kind also includes those confiscated by parents from wayward offspring and can range from a full-blown 'Rambo knife' to a pen knife with an over-large blade.

Many of this type will have been handed in, mainly because they are no longer wanted.

The third kind involves all those used by criminals such as muggers, rapists and other lesser life-forms. None of these will have been surrendered and therefore the 'amnesty' (the word does apply acurately in this case) has been an utter faliure.

Many perfectly law-abiding citizens have surrendered blades they no longer have a use for - they didn't want them anyway but were not keen to just toss them out with the household garbage for the sensible reason that they thought they might fall into the wrong hands.

Other law-abiding citizens have said 'I've got a knife, but I use it for legitimate purposes and I don't see why I should hand it in - the amnesty is directed at criminals, anyway, not me'.

These people have kept theirs.

The criminals have had a good laugh and said stuff you, I'm keeping mine - how else can I get money from Old Ladies or strike fear on the football terraces?

These have been kept also.

The knife amnesty has been utterly futile and a waste of police time. It's whole purpose has been as a propoganda measure designed to make people believe something is being doneto clean up street crime.

and shows you what happens to ordinary working folks who need a knife to go about their honest day to day duties

Quote:


Builder Colin Read was held for police questioning, had his fingerprints, DNA and mug-shot taken and was threatened with prosecution for carrying the knife which has been the tool of his trade for more than a decade. He believes he was the unwitting victim of a tightening of laws, following a series of tragedies across the country.

The 64-year-old only realised that the blade, which measures less than three inches, was a banned weapon after visiting Norwich Magistrates' Court over a speeding matter - the first time in his life he has been in trouble. He voluntarily handed the knife to security guards only to be told they had no option but to call the police.

Mr Read, from Hevingham, said: “I've never been in trouble or put a foot wrong with the law in my entire life until now. Now I've had to live with the stress of a potential jail sentence hanging over my head.”

Home Office guidelines state that it is an offence to carry a knife in public without good reason - for example a chef carrying knives to work. The maximum penalty is four years in prison and a fine of £5,000.

Knives where the blade folds into the handle, like a Swiss army knife, are not illegal, as long as the blade is shorter than three inches. This is because it would be difficult to use them to cause a serious injury. But those with a lockable blade - like Mr Read's - or Stanley and kitchen knives are banned.

Mr Read has now been released with a caution but must still pay a costly legal bill and face a stain on his record.

A spokesman for Norfolk police said lock knives are prohibited and they had no option but to arrest Mr Read. Representatives of the Crown Prosecution Service were unavailable for comment.


and the kind of responce you get when somebody shows some common sense ( in this case a Judge)

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Originally Posted by Daily Mail
A judge stunned a court yesterday when he pulled a blade out of his pocket - while sitting on a knife crime case.

Judge Roger Connor brandished his knife in front of a 16-year-old boy accused of wounding with intent and assault.

The boy, who denies the charges, admits using a folding knife but claims he needed only one hand to open it.

Judge Connor pulled out his blade at Oxford Crown Court, saying: 'I have a folding pocket knife in my pocket. You need two hands to open it don't you?'

John Simmons, for the boy, questioned whether carrying the knife in public was legal but the judge said it was as the blade was less than 3in long.

However, furious anti-knife crime campaigners spoke out in horror yesterday and claimed the deputy circuit judge was setting the wrong example.

Lyn Costello, the co-founder of the Mother's Against Murder and Aggression campaign group said that the judge should lose his job.

She said: 'I'm absolutely sickened - I've never heard anything so disgraceful. He should lose his job.

'I will be writing to the Attorney-General about it - at the moment one teenager a week is being murdered on the streets of Britain and here he is brandishing a knife.

'Enough is enough - we need to get tough on knives in this country and our judges should be handing out tough sentences - not brandishing their own.

'There's no reason why he needs the knife there with him in the courtroom - long gone are the days when a blade was needed to remove a stone from a horse's hoove [sic].

'It is legal to carry a blade less than three inches but if it is a lock knife then it is illegal to have it.

'Technically it is legal to have a folding pocket knife in public but it is something of a grey area. Whatever the case, clearly the public don't want him carrying it.'

The 16-year-old defendant, who denies two counts of wounding with intent and two of assault, cannot be named.

The case relates to the stabbing of two youths at a party in Shirburn Road, Watlington, Oxon.

The trial continues.


It just shows you how ill informed Bill was when he said we should all act like Churchill........the rot comes from the highest levels of authority
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Post by Steele »

Van Canna wrote:
Jake Steinmann wrote:
Steele wrote:
....If I need to defend myself will my Uechi training get me out of trouble...?
No.

YOU will get you out of trouble (or possibly into it).

Tony Blauer has a wonderful quote on one of his audios: “Your style is not responsible for your life. YOU ARE.”

If you are concerned about realistic self-defense training, there are a lot of great resources out there. I don’t thing Kenpo is the best place to look. Browse around this Van’s forum a bit, and you’ll find a lot of good recommendations.
Thanks, Jake.

But what you write is very true.

The style means not much [although it helps] in a last ditch defense.

And I agree with Jim that any system 'block oriented' is an iffy proposition in survival engagement.


The thing is that sometimes I feel not many Uechi practitioners understand or teach the way Uechi Ryu was intended…

As Five Dragon said…to hurt the other guy.

If you are not willing or able to ‘put a hurt’ on the other guy quickly and definitively in the first few seconds of engagement, you may not make it out of there alive.

It is as Tim Larkin points out_ you always find a way to walk away from social violence… when you have a choice.

When you don’t…it means you are in an ‘asocial violence’ predicament… and it is now that you use overwhelming violence of your own to forestall it.

So is Uechi any good for this ‘put the hurt’ on the other guy?

But of course it is…if understood…that is.

The style has a blend of circular and straight chain ‘strike-pull-control-redirect and dissolve’ of the opponent’s center with ‘finish techniques’ _

The ‘blocks’ we talk about and accept in Uechi…are not really blocks…although one may choose to employ the moves as such.

All the moves that look like blocks in Uechi are really preventive strikes/techniques designed to shut down the opponent’s platform in the blink of an eye, when you move in on him in ‘between his heart beats’ either with ‘chain strikes’ like we have in Seisan kata that can move as fast as lightning, or with quick penetrating circles in rotation to sweep away in a ‘hiccup’ moment _ any perceived straight line or circular attacks…enter, rotate, slam down, and finish him on the ground.

One example of the versatility of Uechi moves is in Sanseiryu’s opening move that so many teach as blocking straight punches…utterly ridiculous.

If you are ever down my way I will show you a lightning fast entry and KO with that move that you won’t see anywhere else.

It is all in the understanding of the dynamics of confrontation.

Plus, your body should be conditioned daily to ‘hone’ your natural weapons…or best not to employ them lest they break like glass leaving you to tend to your shards.
Van,

Great points!
I am always looking at Kata for practical applications. I have been trying to break down Seichin step by step, I really like the way it flows. I am wondering what your thoughts are on the practical application of the "beach ball" movements that occur just before the eye strike? I call them beach ball because that's how I learned the movement ....pretend to be rolling as beach ball in your arms.
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Beach ball

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Here's some ideas for you.

https://www.yousendit.com/download/Q01H ... VG52Wmc9PQ

The first clip is Rick Wilson & his crew working the application at long range. Your basic groin shot, head manipulation, and shoulder maniputation. Makes for a sweet take down just stuff the head in the hole you create by lifting the arm.

https://www.yousendit.com/download/Q01H ... V0JjR0E9PQ

2nd clip is long so I compressed it 3 to one. hope it views okay. Eventually it does the "beach ball" also known as the "hawk chases sparrow" Range is more middle range.

Works well inside the clinch too. There are ground applications as well.

There is a lot of depth to Uechi, it's unfortuante that many folks don't have the patience to stay the course. They come to class do the pushups, learn the kata learn the drills, but don't stay long enough to learn the art.


Most students leave thinking they know all there is to learn, the wauke is for blocking punches, a nukite is a finger poke. Sad! And some stay and never get past this....thats very sad!

Read Vans post again!


All the moves that look like blocks in Uechi are really preventive strikes/techniques designed to shut down the opponent’s platform in the blink of an eye, when you move in on him in ‘between his heart beats’ either with ‘chain strikes’ like we have in Seisan kata that can move as fast as lightning, or with quick penetrating circles in rotation to sweep away in a ‘hiccup’ moment _ any perceived straight line or circular attacks…enter, rotate, slam down, and finish him on the ground.

One example of the versatility of Uechi moves is in Sanseiryu’s opening move that so many teach as blocking straight punches…utterly ridiculous.

If you are ever down my way I will show you a lightning fast entry and KO with that move that you won’t see anywhere else.

It is all in the understanding of the dynamics of confrontation.

Plus, your body should be conditioned daily to ‘hone’ your natural weapons…or best not to employ them lest they break like glass leaving you to tend to your shards.
The wauke is a positional transfer, a preemptive strike, it's a neck crank, it's not for plucking punches out of the air...why wait for a punch when you can close and fuk someone up with the wauke.

The nukite...is it the pointy fingers of doom....can be...but it's also a shear and a draw controling your oponents attempts to enter.

Whoops we bit of a rant. Hope the clips help Steele.
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8)
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Good stuff as always mate 8)

Good Uechi !!!
Laird2

That's just Uechi-lite mate!

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Just entry level applications/ideas
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Van,

Great points!
I am always looking at Kata for practical applications. I have been trying to break down Seichin step by step, I really like the way it flows. I am wondering what your thoughts are on the practical application of the "beach ball" movements that occur just before the eye strike? I call them beach ball because that's how I learned the movement ....pretend to be rolling as beach ball in your arms.
I see that move as a series of jamming – trapping and take downs in many different ways. The way Rick Wilson shows them is the essence of the technique.


One favorite way of mine is to use it as a follow up to a two arms entry shearing spear with the radius cutting across the throat, firing in just as I perceive a punch about to be launched.

If you practice this shear _ shut down move against ‘Bob’ _ that we have at the Shinkookai _ over and over _ by placing the ‘attacker’ behind the dummy and having him raise his arm/arms as in a flail to trigger your ‘sneeze’ reflex entry …with speed and full body weight behind….you will condition and develop a devastating entry...

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And _ You will most likely get a KO or a stun for sure to begin with.

Then you follow up by pulling the neck ‘around’ with your right arm going for the beach ball position which will ensure keeping his body away from you as you twist him down…

At the same time you rotate his torso around and down to the right with your left palm under his right armpit/arm…smashing with your knee strike into the body or head as you can.

The rising knee can also be used as an interception/jam of the opponent’s front kick- or sokusen into his kick.

Bob Campbell was a master at this application.

I have also used it effectively against front flying kicks in tournaments.

At the… All American Tournament … Madison Square Garden…I caught a mean front flying kick …hooking it with the left hand as my arm came down over the kick …at the same time that my right arm and palm was sweeping up…

After hooking…I kept lifting towards the sky…causing the opponent to take a nasty fall on his back for a TKO as he was unable to continue.

The applications are many.


Look at Al Wharton’s combat seichin bunkai on video…


http://uechi-ryu.com/new/al_wharton.htm
Van
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good post Van...Uechi rocks!

http://uechi-ryu.com/new/al_wharton.htm
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Some folks may not see this as a Wauke...............but I do :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=698pRl1s3DA

never seen anybody taken down in astreetfight by a shoot though......too much concrete and dog schitt in my hood :cry:
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Post by Steele »

Van Canna wrote:
Van,

Great points!
I am always looking at Kata for practical applications. I have been trying to break down Seichin step by step, I really like the way it flows. I am wondering what your thoughts are on the practical application of the "beach ball" movements that occur just before the eye strike? I call them beach ball because that's how I learned the movement ....pretend to be rolling as beach ball in your arms.
I see that move as a series of jamming – trapping and take downs in many different ways. The way Rick Wilson shows them is the essence of the technique.


One favorite way of mine is to use it as a follow up to a two arms entry shearing spear with the radius cutting across the throat, firing in just as I perceive a punch about to be launched.

If you practice this shear _ shut down move against ‘Bob’ _ that we have at the Shinkookai _ over and over _ by placing the ‘attacker’ behind the dummy and having him raise his arm/arms as in a flail to trigger your ‘sneeze’ reflex entry …with speed and full body weight behind….you will condition and develop a devastating entry...

Image

And _ You will most likely get a KO or a stun for sure to begin with.

Then you follow up by pulling the neck ‘around’ with your right arm going for the beach ball position which will ensure keeping his body away from you as you twist him down…

At the same time you rotate his torso around and down to the right with your left palm under his right armpit/arm…smashing with your knee strike into the body or head as you can.

The rising knee can also be used as an interception/jam of the opponent’s front kick- or sokusen into his kick.

Bob Campbell was a master at this application.

I have also used it effectively against front flying kicks in tournaments.

At the… All American Tournament … Madison Square Garden…I caught a mean front flying kick …hooking it with the left hand as my arm came down over the kick …at the same time that my right arm and palm was sweeping up…

After hooking…I kept lifting towards the sky…causing the opponent to take a nasty fall on his back for a TKO as he was unable to continue.

The applications are many.


Look at Al Wharton’s combat seichin bunkai on video…


http://uechi-ryu.com/new/al_wharton.htm
Great stuff.
The dojo where I train has Bob as well, unfortunately Bob collects alot of dust.
We do alot of kata and kumite and some bunkai, not alot of practical applications.
This is the training I truly enjoy, performing kata then looking at a practical application of that kata. I feel I'm missing out on some of the best Uechi has to offer.
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Bob/dust=shame…because it is a great impact training tool with close to real human feel and promotes safe hand conditioning.

Some of the ways of training …power forms…then apply the concepts of the forms against some habitual acts of violence on the floor immediately.

Then ask the students to pick out some of their preferred striking Uechi tools and begin using them against ‘Bob’ in rotation of ‘threes’ until satisfied of their stopping power/efficiency…as without that ‘programming’ the class becomes a dance.

Conditioning using our implements….medicine ball…sticks…rollers…arm/leg/body pounding…shins…arms etc.

Ask for more striking ‘tools’ for the students to pick from their forms and more Bob impact training….by having a partner get behind the dummy and swivel it in all directions calling for attacking angles and circling to the rear …

constantly changing angles…then rocking Bob ‘forward’ to simulate head butts when coming in contact with it…think of the striking tools of the katas and put them to work.

Emphasis in circling the opponent [Bob] after pre-emptive entry and striking as you circle…then work solid hits to the back of Bob’s head to get KOs…

Rocking BOB backwards…to simulate evasion…

Bunkai with single or multiple partners…then back to ‘Bob’ where I want to see the bunkai strikes actually working on impact…

Kumites done with time and space pressures and surprise partners to stimulate transition to free attack/defense…then done with the back against the wall…

…back to Bob…where I want to see the kumite strikes work with impact…

More conditioning with partner…and medicine ball slams…

Just some basics…
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Shocking Murder in London

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Tim Larkin
One of my Expatriate UK clients forwarded this story of a murder
that recently rocked both the residents and media of London.

What made this murder so shocking?

Just this: the victim did everything you all THINK you should do
in this type of situation.

WARNING: The article below will make you very uncomfortable if
you think your social skills will get you by in an asocial
violent event.

With that caveat, please read on:
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HE GAVE MUGGERS ALL HIS POSSESSIONS BUT THEY WANTED MORE... HIS
LIFE

By Jeff Edwards, Tom Parry And Robert Stansfield, Times-Mirror
Staff

A successful young lawyer was stabbed to death by muggers just
yards from his home despite handing over all his possessions.

Tom Rhys Pryce was heard pleading with the callous thieves, "What
more do you want from me? You've got everything of value."

Seconds later the two men knifed him in the head, body and limbs
in a frenzied, ferocious and senseless attack before they fled.

The 31-year-old, who was due to marry fianc??e Adele Eastman in
September, was stabbed at least a dozen times as he put up a
fierce fight for his life with his bare hands.

Investigation chief Detective Superintendent Julian Worker said:
"This is a shocking murder. It looks like a completely gratuitous
killing.

"It is clear it was a robbery. We know that he had already handed
over everything of value that was on him. We know he was telling
them he had nothing else of value. He was pleading with them and
they just produced knives and started stabbing him.

"Tom was killed just 50 yards from his front door. Adele, 31, was
in the house waiting for him to return from a work social event.

"She went outside after hearing the commotion just before
midnight on Thursday but did not see her dying fianc?? who was
lying in a pool of blood.

The family was too upset to talk last night. A neighbor said:
"Tom and Adele were the picture of happiness.

"He had his whole life ahead of him but it has been so cruelly
taken from him. Everyone's devastated."

Another, Gerry Dobson, 63, added: "It's such a bloody, crying
shame. We know from firsthand experience as parents the
dedication and support that has gone into getting that young man
where he got in his profession.

"To have some idiot take that away from you, not just you, but a
whole family, friends and community, well it's dreadful.

"He was someone who had put in all that effort when you have so
many bums who go around scratching a living and don't contribute
anything to society."

Tom was attacked as he walked to his home at Bathurst Gardens in
Willesden, North West London, from nearby Kensal Green Tube
station.

He was smartly dressed in a blue shirt and tie, a grey suit and
black business shoes.

Det Supt Worker said: "This is a quiet, up and coming area of
London, and not the type of place where we would expect a murder
like this to happen." A neighbour of the couple added: "This is a
very normal and usually quiet residential street. It's
unbelievable someone should be killed in such a horrible way so
close to his home."

Police believe the murderers may have been lying in wait near
Kensal Green station looking for a victim to rob.

* * * * *

My condolences go out to the families of this man and his fianc??.

If you've been reading my past newsletters closely you'll
recognize all the clues in this article that clearly show the
general public, our media, and even the law enforcement community
have an incredibly difficult time coping with asocial acts of
violence, much less how to survive one.

You CANNOT let yourself become just 'one of the herd,' waiting
for the next predators to arrive.

If after reading this article from the UK Mirror you still can't
see what this poor guy did wrong you are not ready for asocial
violence.

Sadly most people read this and say that the victim did everything
he could and that "he fought for his life" but the 2 guys with
the knives were just too much for him.

Yet there's a huge difference between "fighting for your life"
and "trying not to get stabbed". Make sure you know the
difference.

The time to install such information is well before you have to
face such an ordeal. If not now, then when? This isn't something
you "figure out" while staring at a knife blade or down the
barrel of a gun.

Living in his nice North London neighborhood, I'm sure the last
thing Mr. Pryce ever expected was that he'd experience asocial
violence during his walk home... and lose his life.

Until next time,

Tim Larkin
Master Close-Combat Instructor,
Creator of Target-Focus(TM) Training
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Posted by Hoshin:

"there are actions to gain better postition , actions to unbalance your opponent, actions to trap and actions controll. these actions of course would be followed by an action to hurt or disable."

That is wasted action. Maybe it comes down to how you want to look at it. If one wanted to, they could look at unbalancing as something that happens as an effect of injury. Trapping could be what people do in practice, as opposed to ballistic limb destruction, which is what the application is. Control, is what you do to someone when you don't want to injure them.

I think all these things are nice, but there not in the forms. Martial arts weren't created for bouncers, or psych ward interns, or even jail guards.

One of things that interests me is that Rory Miller, who is trained in a system of battlefield jujutsu, has written about countless times where he resolved physical situations without hurting the attacker (or at least not seriously). By unbalancing, trapping and controlling.

I think he is able to do this so well because he was taught a martial art, that deals with real violence. Because he knows how to apply his martial art the way it was meant to be applied, he has the ability to use it at his discretion.

If I were in a situation where my life was threatened by some creep, I don't think that being unbalanced, trapped, controlled, would stop me from hurting him. I'm not an expert, tough guy, mean guy, aggressive, big, strong, you get the picture. But, I know enough about myself, my mind and body, that I know there is some way I can make it happen. I really don't like the thought of excessive pain, blood loss, and death, for me or those I love.

As a matter of fact, the best way I've found to deal with pain, fatigue, fear, or any number of negatives is to apply myself to accomplishing something. Like maybe killing the person who is causing the situation.

I'm pretty sure that's what's in my kata. Doesn't mean I'll survive tomorrow when I walk out the door, but I'm pretty sure that's what the hokey pokey is all about.
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