Sanchin

[kempo-jujitsu]

And what do we learn here?


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don't pick a fight with a good boxer!

[Bill Glasheen]

And what do we learn here?


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• This is boxing. Boxing is a sport where they wrap your wrists/hands and put pillows on the hands to protect them. Any conclusions made from a sport match with such protection will only generalize so far into the street.
  
  That being stated.
• In virtually every single case (at least 8 out of 10), the KO was a lateral blow to the front/side of the jaw. Sometimes it was a left hook. Sometimes it was a looping right cross. But the trajectory was the same, and the end result is the same. The human brain can withstand straight blows pretty well. Those are the kind that would result from a fall. But anything that causes the cranial vault to spin along with a blow to the front jaw will result in contrecoup. Basically the brain bounces off the back of the skull, resulting in a KO. This is about the easiest way to knock out a human being.
• All blows involved relatively gross motor coordination. It's the most common thing you'll see on the street.
• A Sanchin thrust goes against this natural tendency. A straight thrust actually requires more coordination than a looping blow. The reason to practice it tens of thousands of times is so you can do it effortlessly and mindlessly when experiencing the survival stress reflex where fine and complex motor coordination can be severely compromised. At the word go, a straight shot will hit faster than a looping shot. The shortest distance between point A and point B is always a straight line.
  
  That gross motor, looping blow happens with the face staring right at you. The more hijacked your opponent, the larger the road to their neck/head. In other words, be the first to hit - or else.

- Bill

[Stryke]

it means you should be working hard on all the circular strikes In Uechi cause they do big damage . You should also be working hard in the dojo against them , they are the big shot and the most likely to face on the street . You need to be good at them and good at defending them .

mechanically throwing an effective straight is not more complicated as a good hook just perhaps less natural whihc I think is what Bill meant , both have layers of sophistication , they are less effective , however there is a good reason the most important strike in boxing is the jab .

[Van Canna]

And what do we learn here?


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don't pick a fight with a good boxer!

[Van Canna]

I would have thought such large circular gross motor shots, well telegraphed, would have been easy to block by a professional fighter.

[Van Canna]

I am especially interested in some of you guys telling me how you would have blocked those nasty uppercuts...even now as monday morning quarterbackers, having seen the punch coming from your PC chair...in the ring you won't even see it.

[Glenn]

The child in pink is sitting on the lap of someone who is leaning over away from the bat, and his reation was probably sudden. She may be completely oblivious to the bat and simply raising her arms like that as an instinct to feeling like she is falling off his lap, a different kind of flinch response.

[Stryke]

I would have thought such large circular gross motor shots, well telegraphed, would have been easy to block by a professional fighter.

circular shots are harder to see , something about the right brain left brain thing eith optics and whatever ......

but thats why we need to train defending against them more than straight punches .

blocking uppercuts is a challenge , elbows are good , but entering and horizontal elbows like Jimmy did on the advanced Kumites dvd is pretty good , best way is to be throwing your own bombs , and moving etc ...

heck maybe theres something to moving and flowing

but hey like in the clip sometimes your the bug .......

[fivedragons]

"The right mind-set for taking penalty kicks

The key to good sports psychology is not I repeat not 'having positive thoughts.' You can be positive generally about your play and before a match but optimum sports psychology for pressure situations like penalty kicks means having no thoughts, just pure focus.

Penalty takers will often try to fool the goalie. But to enter a state of flow or 'being in the zone' when taking a penalty shot you need to stop thought.

Sure you can have a pre-decided idea as to where you are going to blast the ball. But thought or any self consciousness about what you are doing will just block your success.

The state of mind you need to have to take world beating penalties is akin to the purest hypnotic trance state. You need to instinctively know how to make the crowd disappear. At the same time all thoughts of success of failure need to fade away. "

Zen, anyone?

"You got your mushin in my zanshin."

"You got your zanshin in my mushin."

"Mmmmmm....."

[maxwell ainley]

Van ,

I agree we see through our filters .

We have a lot in common ,and I think you would be very much at home in our discussions on soccer a day never goes by without the topic pops up ,even when the economic situation is depressing ,we have only three days work left .Unless David Beckham wants another villa building .

These filters effect our body language ,on natural movement ,our individual look is intertwined .

Looking at the opening for the first time ,and fully knowing Kanbuns method gave study to this ,and my knowledge of kata openings at the time, this one did not fit in with most fighters first instinctive responce ,my intiall filter on realistic fight stuff was my father a bare knuckle /street fighter ," you might have to hit from unconventional postions "and the opening postion did to me fall into the unconventional bracket ,on this I could live with it ,study it .

[Josann]

Been lurking and feel the need to respond.

Anyone feel that one advantage a boxer has is that they hit with bad intent from day one in the gym and know no other way to train? This is an advantage as the all out attack mentality is a hard wired response i.e. they only have one speed to reply to attacks. Very brutal and as effective as the fighter can make it.

Disadvantages as Bill points out: gloves give a false sense of security to the hands, ( how many times have you heard of a boxer breaking a hand in a street fight? Remember Mike Tyson and Mitch Green on the street?), gloves make defending the head much easier, especially if sparring with 16 oz. gloves.

The major disadvantage of boxing as the preferred training style IMHO is longevity. Not many guys over 30 train in boxing - yeah I know that it is too tough an activity for those that no longer compete. (Spare me the Holyfield, Tyson, Bernard Hopkins examples-these guys are world class fighters that command $1 million plus per fight). and most pro boxers have had less than 5 fights, stop training and get out of shape. That being said, they still probably have a greater "killer instinct" than most of us that wear black belts.

[Josann]

Anybody else think that uechi is a great way to be able to train and protect yourself-if that is one of the reasons you train-as you get older? As an over 50 guy I know that I cannot train as if I were 30 any more. I also know that for brief periods I can still fight enough to protect myself against most people as I occasionally train with my 19 yo son who trains mma, and yeah if we go more than 2 to 3 rounds I get my ass kicked but that once in a while "all out" feeling is necessary, at least in my mind, as a part of the training. Remember the Tyler Durden line from the movie-"How do you know anything about yourself if you've never been in a fight?"

We can criticize uechi all we want, but is there a better way to train for protection over the course of a lifetime to be able to protect yourself, move gracefully, and stay supple and graceful over 50 and into our 60's and 70's? I can't think of one, can you?

Does embracing uechi ryu as a lifestyle (you remember the "do" in karate-do?) make it any less meaningful?

[Van Canna]

Max

We have a lot in common ,and I think you would be very much at home in our discussions on soccer a day never goes by without the topic pops up ,even when the economic situation is depressing ,we have only three days work left .Unless David Beckham wants another villa building .

These filters effect our body language, on natural movement, our individual look is intertwined .

All of us Europeans have the ‘beautiful game’ in common, especially the ones who have played it, like you and I.
Right now my favorite teams I watch constantly are:

1. Manchester United
2. AC Milan
3. Inter/Milan
4. Juventus
5. Barcelona

I love Manchester United….after all it was the English who invented the beautiful game.

Which teams do you like best?

Well, Beckham_ is now on loan to AC/Milan for 3 months, from LA _hopefully he won’t shoot penalty kicks in the moonscape while there. LOL


My wonderful student, Jimmy Hulse, was also commenting on the ‘game’ when he was here last.

People who have not played a real soccer game, have no idea of the body dynamics at work in the game, which is the hardest game on earth because of the constant running, nasty sliding tackles without protection, horrible falls, psychological pressures and endurance demands.

Have you ever watched ‘Gattuso’ the warrior…on the AC Milan team? He has got a thing or two to teach TMA practitioners. And talk about leg conditioning…I’d like to see a TMA conditioned practitioner have a game of legs kicks into one another with a top ranked futbol player. LOL…they shoot the ball at 90 to 100 MHP…

I have found that the ‘game’ gave me a better insight in how the mind and body reacts under confrontational pressures, even more so than what I experienced in the slammer tournaments of years back…which all led to real life confrontational dynamics.

Looking at the opening for the first time ,and fully knowing Kanbun’s method gave study to this ,and my knowledge of kata openings at the time, this one did not fit in with most fighters first instinctive response…

Well, the funny thing is that Sanchin is not really a kata as according to many Okinawan masters, but just an exercise. We were discussing this precise point with Walter when he was visiting my house during the holidays. And Walter studies under Takara and Nakahodo senseis.

Mark Breslford did make the same comment here in the past.

[Van Canna]

We can criticize uechi all we want...

Uechi remains one of the most useful and effective 'tooling' methods of personal defense and training longevity.

[Bill Glasheen]

I would have thought such large circular gross motor shots, well telegraphed, would have been easy to block by a professional fighter.

We need to remember that these sequences are taken out of context. We don't see the other 99% of the fight that led up to the KO sequence. That's where the two men went toe-to-toe, round after round, until one of them wore the other down. As I tell my students, remove the starch from your opponent and the rest is orders of magnitude easier.

We also need to remember the sheer volume of shots thrown in a typical boxing match. The sport (remember...) is designed to stretch the pseudo fight out long enough for TV to get some commercials in and the hosting arena to sell more popcorn and drinks. It may very well be true that a looping punch has a 2 percent chance of connecting on "the button." But throw enough of them, and one of them is going to hit.

Along those lines... I teach all the common kicks of martial arts in my classes, and make sure my students can throw them. I don't care if they perfect all the TKD kicks so much as I want them to know their opposition and understand how to thwart their intent.

When I get to the spinning hook kick, I remind people that the nickname for this in TKD is "the lottery kick." The idea is that you almost never connect. But when you do... I had it happen once in "the old" Dan Kumite. My partner blew his block, and my left heel hit "the button" with a relaxed, whipping blow. Poor fellow... couldn't remember what day it was for about 12 hours. Saw his supper twice that night. It's one of the few times I've ever hit that thing so beautifully.

But if we had caught that KO on film, I could have you all believe that this is a "typical" kick from Superfoot Bill. Yea, that's the ticket!

I am especially interested in some of you guys telling me how you would have blocked those nasty uppercuts...even now as monday morning quarterbackers, having seen the punch coming from your PC chair...in the ring you won't even see it.

True story... A fellow I trained with early in my Uechi days was also a Bando practitioner (Burmese kickboxing) He entered the UVa intramural boxing tournament 2 years in a row, and was voted Most Valuable Boxer both years. (Obviously he won his weight class with ease.) When he was training for the third year, he was doing some gentle sparring with the fellow who had won the lighter weight class the previous year. Well his opponent threw a left hook. Mack ducked while "answering the telephone." That was perfect but... the hook was a setup for his opponent's right uppercut. Mack dropped his face right into it, and broke his nose. Needless to say, there was no "threepeat".

Some days you're the windshield, and some days you're the bug.

- Bill