Sack whacking - Candidates for Darwin Awards

[Bill Glasheen]

Seisan kata is known for - among other things - its low-swinging strikes. Somehow what these were meant for was never a mystery to any Uechika. How to set it up and what to do afterwards is what separates the street Uechika from the dojo geek.

Well... to adolescents lacking synaptic connections in their judgement centers, they think this is all a game.

sack whack

1. to be smacked in the scrotum very fast and very painfully.

..... " hey, whats wrong with you?"

..... "i just got sack whacked"

2. a vicious frontal attack on one's genitals

also can be referred to as a jimmy sack whack or a jimmy tap

..... "Hey whats up, Owwww...Why'd you give me a jimmy tap?"

It's so funny (har har) that idiots are posting themselves being sack whacked on YouTube. As if we're supposed to be impressed.

It's going to take me all of 5 minutes to cut and past this. That's how prevalent this adolescent sickness is.

Sack Whack 1

Sack Whack 2

Sack Whack 3

Sack Whack 4

Sack Whack 5

Sack Whack 6

Sack Whack 7

Sack Whack 8

Sack Whack 9

Sack Whack 10

And last but not least...

Sack Whack - shoe

OK now... use your imagination. You are officially a sadistic ruler, and you've just done experiments on your slaves to find martial applications. (In this case, stupid adolescent males are "experimenting" with each other.) So... What did you learn???

Now the following:

• Next time you call that circle after the "groin strike" a "block" in my presence....
  
  Think battlefield. Think taking someone out. Talk amongst yourselves...
• So when it's off the rear leg in the first "groin strike", you turn. Why? If you say you want to turn around and face a new bad guy in my presence...
  
  Think battlefield. Think taking someone out. Talk amongst yourselves...

Remember that sequences are all about expecting Situation B given a techique in Situation A.

Now... As if I didn't need to tell you this already...

Groin-Punching is Unhealthy
Posted by David Schmader on Fri, May 28, 2010 at 3:36 PM

ABC News reports on the health-endangering possibilities of 'Sack Tapping'—A Schoolyard Game Turned Ugly

Gone are the days when bullies merely gave wedgies. The newest fad in schoolyard violence? A quick slap to the testicles. In the game of "sack tapping" or "ball tapping," as it is called, a boy will try to slap or flick the groin of another boy to inflict discomfort or pain.

The "game" has gotten out of hand, however, according to Dr. Scott Wheeler, a pediatric urologist in Minnesota. In recent years he's seen an increasing number of young boys coming in with serious damage to the testicles because of a "tap" that hit too hard. "For some reason, [this game] is popular," Wheeler says. "It's not just bullies, it's kids doing it to their friends. It's rare that bullies target the testicles, they just beat up people."....In some cases, trauma sustained by sack tapping can be severe enough to rupture a testicle, an injury that can require surgery or even the amputation of the testicle, says Wheeler.

You have been warned. And yet... those wishing not to be a part of the gene pool any more will continue to prove Darwins laws.

- Bill

[CANDANeh]

Next time you call that circle after the "groin strike" a "block" in my presence....

Agreed! Also I must add is applying our mass (turning as Bill indicated is one method) to make the technique more effective.
Seisan jump back while grasping the future generations or falling back into "horse stance" using your mass to bring them along is an eye opener.
My favorite is hidden in Sechin kata. The frontal long stance elbow strike is telling us so much about infighting. After the elbow strike circle down with the same arm the initiated the elbow strike...grasp and THEN complete the the circle as you retreat back to sanchin stance. Try this by grasping the loose ends of your training partners belt. Note: Do not pull with the arm as it will take away from the ability of the transition to 'pull him out of his shoes"
Followed by the palm heel as he is drawn in is almost over kill

[Bill Glasheen]

Remember that sequences are all about expecting Situation B given a techique in Situation A.

My second cousin, who is (was) in the air force and teaches jujutsu, teaches a take-em-out martial sequence. When you look at it and your head isn't in the it must be EXACTLY like the kata boneheaded mindset, you realize it's a (just one) perfect interpretation of the first Uechi groin strike and turn sequence in Seisan.

I once saw another very brutal martial application from a Russian Systema training tape. When you look at it and your head isn't in the it must be EXACTLY like the kata boneheaded mindset, you realize it's a (just one) perfect interpretation of any of the subsequent groin strikes (done off front leg) that are followed with an arm circle with same arm.

Take a look at this gentleman at time = 7.5 to 8.0 seconds. (It is a window of time that comes and goes right in front of you.) You're on the battlefield and you want to off this mutherfuker. What does your predator mind see?

Talk amongst yourselves.

Sack Whack 8

IMO (worth a few pennies) this is practically a theme in Seisan kata. Methinks the author was obsessed with trying to set up a particular type of attack.

- Bill

[nosib]

For the love of...jeezuz tapping dancing..you know who!
Come on Bill,just this once give it up and toss us,who wander in kata darkness,a bone of your interpretation/application on this technique.
Come on! it's your birthday! loosen that application lock
box and let one slip out...some sugar for my Uechi coffee.
How about some practical truth,a shin kick of knowledge
here.I tire of the illusive journey to epiphanies.Show me now
so I can get on with my Uechiness and clean up some
dead fish.
Come on Mr.G ! I'am sure we all here want to see how
you run-it-through-the-gears on this one. Bill,you know
it will not hurt,you know you want to and you will feel
so much better once you've let it out! Come on big guy
(fist push to the shoulder) do it for the hometeam! AND
NO you go first.
You and Van have done this for years "what does this mean?" "what is his thinking here?" "what is the real
application?" search grasshopper search.
I'am 62 years old and am acclimating to the new Uechi
order with one foot still stuck in the old dojo. Give me
something new to toy with. I promise that in the future
when ever I demonstrate your interpretation to someone
I will always reference you as the author.

So Bill,do a Yoda on us and PLEASE explain/teach us
your application.

and....HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

[Bill Glasheen]

You crack me up!

A good teacher gives the students a chance to figure things out on their own. Why? Because IN THE LONG RUN, all the good stuff comes from self discovery. Sure, there are collectors of interpretation out there. But the real genius of martial arts is getting things at the fundamental level, so you can make it up on the fly. The greatest fighters and athletes marvel at their execution AFTER the fact. Why? Because they know that no 2 situations are alike, but there's probably a solution to be had for the individual with an intuitive sense about things.

ALL THAT BEING SAID...

The natural reaction when you whack the sack is for the individual to go butt out and head forward.

See time = 0:49

See time = 0:03 out of 0:03

See time = 0:25

See time = 0:05

See time = 0:04

See time = 0:09 (camera just misses the ideal time)

See time = 0:08.00

See time = 0:11

Some windows of opportunity are very brief. The last one gives you over a second. And that's the real world. The only way to make this work is to know what to expect, and strike when the window of opportunity is wide open.

And the answer is...

Drum roll...

The target is the back of the neck. Hit them there, and out go the lights.

Now...

How are you going to do that with a circle, given that you've done the Jimmy Tap off your front leg?

How are you going to do that in conjunction with a turn (90 degrees is plenty...), given that you've done the sack whack off your rear leg?

Hint: Possible striking surfaces include (but aren't necessarily limited to) ---

• The shuto
• The elbow
• The hammer fist

Now then... Put some cups on, lightly whack each other in the sacks, make the recipient pretend like it hurt like hell, have the recipient double over, and figure out how you're going to hit them on the back of the neck like there's no tomorrow.

This isn't gentlemen Uechi Ryu. It is battlefield and self-defense pangainoon as it was originally conceived. The sack whack isn't the coup de gras; it is the setup. The guillotine comes after the tap.

- Bill

[Bill Glasheen]

Just for you, nosib...

Here's a little bit of humor (twenty one-liners) from the movie Roxanne. And at the very end, he does a sack whack. Note both how he sets it up (with a turn) and what the tap sets up. The bend forward amplifies the impact of the subsequent technique. (Think opening sequence in Kanshu kata.)

Roxanne - Steve Martin - Big Nose bar scene

It's just a movie you say... and you would be right. But isn't it strange that I only saw this movie once - when it came out. (That would be 1987.) And my brain immediately imprinted the sequence - because it followed an important principle! It took me 10 seconds on Google to find it. *

Just remember that Hollywood often has to defang the real deal. However that would have hurt - even though it probably wouldn't have knocked him out.

One of my Uechi peers was two time winner of his weight class and voted "most valuable boxer" in UVa's boxing intramurals. He was going for his third in a row. To train for it, he was sparring with the guy that won his weight division the previous year.

Well...

His partner threw a left hook. Mack ducked. Knowing Mack was going to duck and come back up, he timed the launch of an uppercut right when Mack was ducking. Nose instantly broken. Oops!!

No boxing tournament that year for Mack.

- Bill

* Truth is, it's difficult to forget a movie with Daryl Hannah in it. Sigh...

[Van Canna]

Gushi sensei teaches the turning and performing the three waukes at the end of sanchin_ as one motion ....something that teaches, apparently,to apply the wa-uke effectively...as the turning body creates centrifugal force. This would also apply in many other turning strikes, I would think.

Also to ponder is the concept of making defensive movements at one stroke (called "ikkyoodo" - all at one stroke)...that was what kanbun taught...something that I wrote about in great detail on my forum years ago.

[Van Canna]

Nosib posted

You and Van have done this for years "what does this mean?" "what is his thinking here?" "what is the real
application?" search grasshopper search.

~~

Let's see what I believe old Karate concepts are:

Here is one Grandmaster I met face to face once and observed his demonstrations that were impressive.

http://www.suncoastkarate.com/Grandmast ... s.htm#Diss


Robert A. Trias was the Grandmaster of the style of Okinawan Shuri Ryu karate.

Shuri-te was the original style of the Okinawan masters Sokon Matsumura, Yasutsune (Ankoh) Itosu; and later Choki Motobu, Kentsu Yabu, Chosun Chibana, Chotoku Kyan, Kanken Toyama, Yasuhiro Konishi, and others.

Trias

Strikes are essentially circular, and the power of the opponent is also deflected in a circular motion.


There are seven attacking and retreating methods (Kogeki) which are used in conjunction with eight distinctive types of attacks which can be executed in a circular fashion or a "V" formation.

The reactionary striking manner, symbolic in the snake or crane, is strictly enforced in the system. When the user blocks any movements, he must react spontaneously with a quick whiplike strike.

Shuri-ryu is a very old and traditional system with a long and unbroken history. From the ancient method, much wisdom has been gained and recorded. Shuri-ryu is a totally complete system, and from it have come many other systems.

[Van Canna]

Firstly l will state in a street situation when a verbal argument turns to physical, a seasoned fighter who knows how to set you up and is the master of the sucker punch will have hit you before you know it, unless you are also tuned in to how the street assailant will punch you.


If you don't know the signs and you are not switched on, all the techniques in the world will not help you. A hefty blow to the jaw chin or temple will have you all over the place if not down and out.

I have found a lot of martial artists are practicing punch defences from an unrealistic distance, 4ft to 5ft away is not a realistic distance. A person will need to be at least 3ft or nearer to effectively throw a good punch and note so will you.


If you had 5ft distance, why be waiting to block counter you could use a stop hit as JKD people refer to, in this case a crushing low line kick to shin, knee or thigh, why root yourself to the spot and block.

If you had 5ft distance, why be waiting to block counter you could use a stop hit as JKD people refer to, anyway if you do you will be on the back foot ;and he will swarm you with punches. Remember he wont be imitating the famous one arm syndrome.

Where one punch is thrown and he freezes in place while you dismantle him. If his first shot misses or is blocked he will follow up with another and another.

Most classical blocking methods fall short when applied against a street puncher or boxer. Inner, outer and rising blocks become redundant, X blocks suicidal. Committed punches with body weight behind them and the opponent not holding back ;will crash through these blocks, taking into account if you even get time to attempt to use one.


Live fighting is not rigid 1 2 3 motions, it is fast, furious and continual motion. ln regard to blocking in general, how ;many blocks do you see executed in a boxing match, how many have you seen in the no holds barred contest.

[Van Canna]

Trias

In real punching range all you will have is instinctive reaction blocks or better termed as cover ups. The moves are reminiscent of how a boxer may cover up against blows, but just slightly modified.

Lets take the first example, you are confronted by trouble and sense your aggressor is going to strike.

You should have stepped back into a small 45% stance, lets say left leg leading.

Ideally if you feel an attack on your person is imminent, you should kick off with your own offensive attack but this may not always be possible for one reason or the other.

So suddenly the attacker throws a big overhand right or hook.
You will have to bring your hands up instinctively , left hand covering the left side of your head. l call this a telephone block, the position resembles the way your hand arm is when holding the receiver of a phone to your ear.

[Van Canna]

Trias

The punch can be taken on the forearm or if it is hooking around, your biceps and shoulder can absorb the strike .

The cover up is a natural reaction you don’t have to go into any sophisticated ritual before you execute it. People have lots of inbred reflex actions, that with the right training can be used without much conscious pre- thought.


For example, if somebody threw an object at you and shouted catch you just raise your hands and do it, no posture, fancy hand movement, etc, just natural reflex.

The same can be said if somebody shouted look out, or duck, your body naturally crouches without conscious effort. This is how the cover up block should be done, if you train it, it begins to make good sense.

If performed correctly you should stop the blow but also be at a good distance to immediately counter. Make sure your non blocking hand is up in a guard position and not by the hip. With the hand up in guard you can instantly strike back or block another punch coming in.

What you follow up with is up to you and how you see fit, as long as your head is still on your shoulders you can fight back.

Now if you were initially in the left stance and this time the aggressor threw a left hook, you can either bring up your right hand in the telephone block, or you can pivot your hips and come across to meet the punching arm with a modified double knifehand block with your left, smashing into their wrist and biceps, from there you can shoot back with a reverse knifehand to neck, hammerfist to jaw, slap to eardrum, elbow to jaw etc.

[Van Canna]

The important element is you haven’t changed stance, so if you face somebody and you don’t know if they are going to punch you with the right or left hand, you will have a chance because you are not shuffling your feet, looking for the correct stance.


Against a flurry of swings you should again cover up the head with the telephone blocks either side, then come up the ;middle with a knee strike to assailants groin body or head butt to the face, ;you will also be in a position of inside control ;to grapple or ;throw if you so wish.


Learning to duck or bobweave under a haymaking swing is worth practicing, you can evade the blow and come up on the outer side of the attacker to punch the ribs kidneys or go for the rear choke or strangle.

also slipping and parrying straight punches over your shoulders is a smart but fairly advanced idea but again worth investing time in.

Maloney teaches this wonderful stuff.

[Van Canna]

Trias

Also be aware of the pre-punch signs. Opponent may be wildly abusive, finger point, attempt to prod or push you .

May suddenly go quiet, have a vacant stare or look this may be difficult to spot on some gorillas individuals, blood red face, veins protruding from temples or neck, clenching of fists, drop shoulders, draw back of arm, shift of bodyweight. these are just some of the many different ;approaches.

Be aware of these things they are just as essential, if not ;more than your physical responses. remember the street thug will not stance up and start dancing around like Sugar Ray Leonard, These are not the things you should be looking for, or base all your punch training on.


You may be accosted in a telephone box, toilet cubicle, stairway, car etc. It probably wont be of your choice. You must accept these things and take them on board.

In closing, the best defence is attack, and if you can launch a pre-emptive move even when you feel your life is threatened , do it, don’t delay and find yourself on the back foot.

But if something goes wrong and you can't then by following the concepts outlined in this article you will be able to keep your head.

It seems to make sense.

[nosib]

Mr.G. said,
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A good teacher gives the students a chance to figure things out on their own. Why? Because IN THE LONG RUN, all the good stuff comes from self discovery. Sure, there are collectors of interpretation out there. But the real genius of martial arts is getting things at the fundamental level, so you can make it up on the fly. The greatest fighters and athletes marvel at their execution AFTER the fact. Why? Because they know that no 2 situations are alike, but there's probably a solution to be had for the individual with an intuitive sense about things.
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Damn,I like that! an instantaneous, reactive, improvisational
application from the tool bag of techniques.

"collectors of interpretation" the internet is replete with such experts.... look at all the stuff I know!

" but the real genius of martial arts is getting things at the
fundamental level" k.i.s.s.
Van,s post about Robert Trias and his no nonsense approach addresses that "fundamental level".... and from
a traditional martial art, no less!