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Found this article on wench.com - reminded me of how the ever-pervading double standard stretches far and wide - even in the martial arts.

While I've been pleased to note on these pages perhaps some of the fairest treatment of ability when it comes to gender - there are still the comments that seem inevitable - like - "she was such a great fighter - kicking butt in our dojo - and I have to mention that she was really pretty too! Image "

As if looks on a female fighter are not separable from her fighting ability. I have yet to see anyone discuss the physical appearance, possitive or negative, of any of our male martial artists. But often when a female is being discussed, it comes up and probably passes without too much note.

Personally, I don't care - (so all you closet chauvanists can relax and keep posting without fear of reprisal from an innocent comment or two! Image ) I learned long ago that the double standard has myriad manifestations in business, life, safety, fighting, self-defense etc. The point is - live with it - find a way to make it work - it isn't going to change!

Not to say we shouldn't point it out from time to time - and object when things get really sexist and ridiculous - like those knife video ads that Ian brought up. Face it - sex sells. Everything from cars to cigarrettes to liquor to knives and guns and whatever else the advertising moguls decide needs a boost. Plays on the male ego and continuously beats down the female one as women and especially girls are bombarded with images of what they "should" look like - and not to mention the role of an object... but I digress!

My point in sharing this article is just to share a bit of awareness as to how we describe males and females in the same role. Keep an eye out for the next description of a female martial artist - and observe how her appearance enters into the list of attributes along with her style, stance or spirit. Then I dare you to start a discussion about the "cuteness" of one of our esteemed senior male fighters... ha!

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The good news: President-elect George W. Bush named Condoleezza Rice as his choice for National Security Advisor, an office never before held by a woman. The bad news: she's still just a woman.

As Salon's Fiona Morgan points out in a new article, the profile of Rice in last Sunday's New York Times contained a fair bit of information that seems decidedly out of place in a discussion of one of the most powerful women in the country. Among the trivia offered therein: Rice wears a size six dress with a "modest hemline," she has a bagel for breakfast, she "gushes Southern charm." Try imagining an examination of Dick Cheney's waistline, or just how "captivating" Colin Powell is in his crisp uniform, on those same pages.

The double standard for women of power is nothing new -- note how many women running for office are routinely referred to by their first names, as though a woman in office is cute -- but from the New York Times, when profiling a seasoned political player who happens to be a woman, one expects a bit more.

Despite the somewhat bittersweet nature of Rice's history-making move -- she is, after all, a black woman Republican -- she deserves the respect her career and position demand. Even if she may end up being the one who has to scold lil' Dubya for staying up past his bedtime.

Read more at Salon.com.



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That wench is definitly hard-core feminism all the way, Lori. There will never be peace between the sexes. I wonder if there are any webpages that speak about women as that one does about men?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lori:

As if looks on a female fighter are not separable from her fighting ability. I have yet to see anyone discuss the physical appearance, possitive or negative, of any of our male martial artists. But often when a female is being discussed, it comes up and probably passes without too much note.
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It's because:

1) Men are generally pigs when it comes to discussing women...

and

2) It doesn't come up about the men, because we're all a bunch of ugly putzes... (Well, except me. Image )
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I don't mean to be rude here, but I am rather suspicious of any woman who would work in an Administration that would have such a misogynist as John Ashcroft in a position of prominence in it. The man is a complete turkey, and most of his stands over the years would redound to the damage of women's rights in any and every form, so I shoould think that Ms. Rice would want to distance herself as much as possible from him, along with any other women appointees of W's. On the whole, I think that W has done a fair to good job so far, but the Ashcroft appointment just sent me up a tree!

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Well, there are lots of women who aren't the most progressive when it comes to their own rights or place in the world. I had a friend once whose mother would throw a fit if she ever got anything addressed to "Ms. D" because "I'm married and my name is Mrs. John D, don't they know that??" Or perhaps Ms C thought she'd do well for herself and women by being as prominent as she could, even if she was appointed by someone one couldn't exactly call a feminist.

One could also ask why the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay group, supported GW. And there I really have no answer for you at all.
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I do not want to sound like the devils advocate here, but...You knew that I was anyway...

I have seen some women sign up for karate lessons because the sensei was a handsome dude. It did not matter too much to them what style he taught or even if he was more qualified than the next guy. If they had to pick between two schools, they went with the handsome guy. Then they stare googly eyed at him throughout the whole class.

Long time ago I was discussing the sanchin kitae with a woman who later became a friend of mine. She was so thrilled that he was touching her during class. This is something she never told anyone, and I was the first to know. It may have not been the ONLY REASON that she signed up for lessons. But she was enjoying the fact that he was faily decent looking.

It is not only the men who act this way.
It is just that men do not know when to keep their mouths shut.

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...And up goes the divorce rate, eh Lenny.
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Good point Len. Humanity is humanity, regardless of gender - and there is no shortage of good or bad qualities on either side. There does seem to be a gender-influenced difference - sometimes very wide - in the interpretation and communication of these qualities. Men do seem to be a bit more, shall we say, "explicit" in their descriptions, while women have tolerated and perpetuated gender stereotyping in their own right.

My common theme on this forum - the differences exist - learn them, accept them, celebrate them. Only then can their be more harmony - it is the divisions and the negativity that will perpetuate the divide. Instead - if we can recognize and learn from the contrasts - maybe we will see more of a connection than we did from a limited and socially impressed standpoint.
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Yes Lori, I believe you are educating the whole populace with your comments.

Men are without a doubt very interestedwith a women’s appearance and sexuality.

This judgment, linked as a mitigating factor when determining an aspirant for a job or when describing how talented someone is, can be taken as offensive.


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Len-san,

Exactly! There are so many rules in place to try and keep that from happening during the application process - employers are not even allowed to ask if a woman (or man) is married - has kids - etc. - yet - in an interesting book I just read on the toughest inteview questions - many round about ways of getting the same information are explained - seemingly innocent questions that lead into divulging more information than is legally allowed to be asked... of course if the information is voluteered - then there is no problem. But these judgements are still in place - ie. - she is recently married - young - may be having kids - maternity leave etc. - or - she's single - decent looking - a distraction in the workplace - or even other avenues. This comes up WAY more often for women than it does men. Can we change it? Probably not - the trick is again - to recognize it and deal with it. For me it is sort of "Art of War" - getting to know your enemy - figuring out where they are coming from - then you can prepare and respond accordingly. Not that every gender encounter is a war (although potentially it probably is! Image ) but that life is a battle - conflict is the nature of change - and men and women will always have some sort of conflict - especially in their interpretations of events. Fight it - get militant - accept - kowtow - give up - whatever. Many choices are available - and the better choices can only be made with as much information as possible.
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