Many times I have heard on these forums "Remember, your training is not as good as a professional athlete's."
Well I wonder what the ideal professional training should be for a martial athlete? What if we were to work out as often and as intently as the pros? I would like to hear what everyone's ideal training plan would be if they had the time. Say someone is offering you twice your salary for the rest of your life to "be the best Uechika(or Judoka, or whatever) you can be.."
I would like to train that way.
Thoughts?
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Good Thoughts Billy-san
You are describing a Sensei!
A pro is pro for two reasons.
1. They receive monitary compenstaion for what they do and teach.
2. They practice what they know each and every day.
Len Testa
You are describing a Sensei!
A pro is pro for two reasons.
1. They receive monitary compenstaion for what they do and teach.
2. They practice what they know each and every day.
Len Testa
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Outstanding answer to a very good question! Whenever I first walked into a dojo the very first thing that came to mind was how "Professional" the people looked in every aspect. This should be something we all strive for. If I am not a professional, then by all means I am trying to get that way.
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Len,
I may be describing SOME sensei, but very damn few! I am talking athletic training here. Resistance, cardio, sparring, conditioning, kata, whatever you want it to be.
I know quite a few sensei, they come in two catagories:
1) Teach as a hobby (after they work a "normal" job for eight hours)
2) Own a karate business. (involves marketing, teaching children, cleaning the dojo, paying bills, etc - I guess a good estamate is 3-4 hours a day before class begins.)
When do they find time to train like a professional athlete? I'm talking 3-5 hours a day. ( I guess. I am NOT a professional athlete so I don't know)
Everyone,
I have been increasing my time in the gym, and my time on the track, and decreasing my dojo time(due to schedule conflicts.) I have been entertaining thoughts of joining a traditional jujitsu dojo, picking up some traditional weapons training, etc. Just trying to nail down a reasonable professional training regimen for myself. I would like to train this way for a year or so, just to see where it goes and to know at one point in my life I really did train like a pro. I am in a unique position right now in that I DO have the time - although my schedule is wierd. This will change soon enough, and I would like to get something going NOW!
Anyways.... I would like to hear what y'all think about "ideal" training conditions. For all the guys who say "you have to remember working out three times a week for an hour a time is not professional athletic training", my question is: "what is?"
I may be describing SOME sensei, but very damn few! I am talking athletic training here. Resistance, cardio, sparring, conditioning, kata, whatever you want it to be.
I know quite a few sensei, they come in two catagories:
1) Teach as a hobby (after they work a "normal" job for eight hours)
2) Own a karate business. (involves marketing, teaching children, cleaning the dojo, paying bills, etc - I guess a good estamate is 3-4 hours a day before class begins.)
When do they find time to train like a professional athlete? I'm talking 3-5 hours a day. ( I guess. I am NOT a professional athlete so I don't know)
Everyone,
I have been increasing my time in the gym, and my time on the track, and decreasing my dojo time(due to schedule conflicts.) I have been entertaining thoughts of joining a traditional jujitsu dojo, picking up some traditional weapons training, etc. Just trying to nail down a reasonable professional training regimen for myself. I would like to train this way for a year or so, just to see where it goes and to know at one point in my life I really did train like a pro. I am in a unique position right now in that I DO have the time - although my schedule is wierd. This will change soon enough, and I would like to get something going NOW!
Anyways.... I would like to hear what y'all think about "ideal" training conditions. For all the guys who say "you have to remember working out three times a week for an hour a time is not professional athletic training", my question is: "what is?"
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Billy B
This is a serious question that deserves a serious response. I have been there. I spent from age 28 through about age 35 training as if for the Olympics. I did this while in graduate school with an A.B.D. degree (all but dissertation). Anyone who has a Ph.D. knows what I am talking about. Even relationships took a back seat (as my girlfriends were quick to remind me). I had some good mentors who guided me as I initially overtrained and then sought ways to create my own journey.
My first priority on this thread was erasing an inappropriate comment (and reaction to it). I'll address this at length later.
- Bill
This is a serious question that deserves a serious response. I have been there. I spent from age 28 through about age 35 training as if for the Olympics. I did this while in graduate school with an A.B.D. degree (all but dissertation). Anyone who has a Ph.D. knows what I am talking about. Even relationships took a back seat (as my girlfriends were quick to remind me). I had some good mentors who guided me as I initially overtrained and then sought ways to create my own journey.
My first priority on this thread was erasing an inappropriate comment (and reaction to it). I'll address this at length later.
- Bill
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I think training "professionally", or "better", for that matter, means availing oneself to the developing body of science around training methodologies. Much of the knowledge comes from the training of world class athletes. There are some really good info and material out there and these account for the breaking of world records in various sporting events.
The martial arts world has been slower to adapt these methodologies because we are steeped in and intrigued by the notion of "traditional" practices despite the possibility that these practices aren't always the best, or can be made better with supplementary practices.
There has been a slow cross-over of sports training methodologies and approaches to martial arts practice. It's worthwhile to read some of the materials to maximize the time that one does have to train, even if one is not a professional. I have several books on general training. But better to read materials that have more relevance to the needs of the martial artist. Fortunately, the are several books available now on this topic. Tom Seabourne has a book out, The Martial Arts Athlete; Thomas Kurz wrote The Science of Sports Training which deals a bit about "combative sports"; and recently Charles Staley published his book, The Science of Martial Arts Training.
Many of us not "professional" but it is probably just important that we have the knowledge to maximize our limited time and training effort.
david
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The martial arts world has been slower to adapt these methodologies because we are steeped in and intrigued by the notion of "traditional" practices despite the possibility that these practices aren't always the best, or can be made better with supplementary practices.
There has been a slow cross-over of sports training methodologies and approaches to martial arts practice. It's worthwhile to read some of the materials to maximize the time that one does have to train, even if one is not a professional. I have several books on general training. But better to read materials that have more relevance to the needs of the martial artist. Fortunately, the are several books available now on this topic. Tom Seabourne has a book out, The Martial Arts Athlete; Thomas Kurz wrote The Science of Sports Training which deals a bit about "combative sports"; and recently Charles Staley published his book, The Science of Martial Arts Training.
Many of us not "professional" but it is probably just important that we have the knowledge to maximize our limited time and training effort.
david
[This message has been edited by david (edited April 24, 2000).]
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The only thing I could relate to "professional training" is the time I was heavily involved with competitive swimming. The training regime went as followed. Two-hour practices in the morning before school, 3hr practice after school five days a week. Saturday was three hours in the morning. The afternoon practices usually consisted of 1 hour of lifting, and two hours of swimming on MWF, and on Tue, Thur, it was 1hr of dry land exercises and 2hrs of swimming. Saturdays was running lifting and swimming time wise varied. This went on for most of high school and all of college close to year round. All I did was swim and go to school there really wasn't much of a social life at least not until college. But even then it was much different then the non-athletic student. Some may see it as extreme but that's what it took to be competitive. I've been out of college for about 7 years now and I don't miss that level of training one bit. If I had the chance I wouldn't go back and change a thing. But I would never do it again.
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Hi guys,
Great responses so far, thanks.
Bill-Sensei,
I have waited for you to elaborate, but no luck as of yet. Considering recent events I thought I might remind you to explain your flushing of a cretin.
Great responses so far, thanks.
Bill-Sensei,
I have waited for you to elaborate, but no luck as of yet. Considering recent events I thought I might remind you to explain your flushing of a cretin.
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Billy B
Actually what I wrote was ambiguous. I said I'll address this at length later. What I meant was your original question, not the flushing of said cretin.
But since you asked... I tolerate quite a bit more on this forum than others do on theirs. Certainly I give people time to mature and adjust to the environment. But this particular gentleman had already occupied quite a bit of our time. It was interesting having him make wild claims about martial arts and this style, and have them countered by the residents. It was also a bit informing watching his verbal assaults, and the counters. But when he started a thread that was nothing more than a prepubescent taunt (and had absolutely nothing to do with martial arts), it became obvious that he really didn't belong. There are plenty of other places on the web where he can get his jollies.
There was also a giveaway in his language that he's been here before under other handles with different business (literally) in mind. Those posts and handles got deleted quickly as advertising products has no place on this forum.
I've saved both him and the group a lot of time.
- Bill
Actually what I wrote was ambiguous. I said I'll address this at length later. What I meant was your original question, not the flushing of said cretin.
But since you asked... I tolerate quite a bit more on this forum than others do on theirs. Certainly I give people time to mature and adjust to the environment. But this particular gentleman had already occupied quite a bit of our time. It was interesting having him make wild claims about martial arts and this style, and have them countered by the residents. It was also a bit informing watching his verbal assaults, and the counters. But when he started a thread that was nothing more than a prepubescent taunt (and had absolutely nothing to do with martial arts), it became obvious that he really didn't belong. There are plenty of other places on the web where he can get his jollies.
There was also a giveaway in his language that he's been here before under other handles with different business (literally) in mind. Those posts and handles got deleted quickly as advertising products has no place on this forum.
I've saved both him and the group a lot of time.
- Bill
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ok, I obviously misunderstood. I was concerned that the erased comment could have been mine. I did'nt notice any change in my text, but my memory ain't perfect.
Anyways, I'm glad to hear you will adress the topic at length! I figured you would be one of the people who could give us an educated response.
Anyways, I'm glad to hear you will adress the topic at length! I figured you would be one of the people who could give us an educated response.
