American Uechi-ryu Masters Lineage Chart

LAC · Post by **LAC** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 10:05 pm

Originally posted by Socrates:
LAC
You don't need to excuse anything. I was having difficulty trying to explain it myself.
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I need a whiteboard! :-)

Peace out.....

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L.A.C.

LAC · Post by **LAC** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 5:26 am

Bill -
"Just Do It" is a philosophy I most often follow. I only suggested permissions in the event that without them there are some privacy issues we would run into.
The key field is important, but Last name, first name should really suffice. The extra info such as email and ss# I don't think fall into the scope of Len's initial idea of a lineage chart.

Socrates -
What is your opinion as far as this:
I see the tables or files(what have you)as needing to have the Sensei file as the primary with the student file as a secondary. You cross reference by Sensei on specific promotion. But I am only looking at the scope of this being a simple lineage print application not as a database application for Sensei to keep their student records on. There again it comes down to what the true outcome of this project is to be.
After reading Bill's post, I think that this simple lineage printout is taking on a life of its own. But that is definitely par for the course in MIS.

Len, is it strictly a simple print application to show promotional lineage you would like or a more complex training/promotional/dojo print application?

In my years of MIS time and time again the KISS approach works best. The bells and whistles can come later.
It always amazes me how far a great idea can go when you have people throwing things out there.

I feel a brainstorming session coming on...
Any takers?
But I think Len should take the lead on this. It was his request and we need to keep what he wants at the top of the list.

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L.A.C.

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 5:34 am

LAC

What I was suggesting is the format for a data collection phase. What I suggested is something that is KISS. You don't really need to do all the extra data on the individuals, but it would help. It's at least important to have contact information on file to keep the database updated. You can add more person-level data later.

Trust me...the format I gave for collecting data is both simple and flexible. What you do with it after that is up to the programmers and/or database administrators. But start simple and complete and you can go in many directions.

- Bill

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 5:37 am

Just saw the suggestions by Socrates. Not bad!

- Bill

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 5:57 am

Bill Thanks.

LAC You are right about KISS, and about sticking to what the goal of this project would be. I'm not quite sure what you are asking about the table structure I'm typed above but let me elaborate a little. I imagined the Person table as being both students and teachers. There would be a one to many link to the Persons_Teachers table. That would allow every possible combination of who studied under whom and for how long. This would work quite easily in MS Access. Maybe not the simplest method but it allows for the most flexibility. So I suppose to answer your question I don't think there needs to a Primary File for Teachers and a secondary one for Students. However it does all come down to what you want out of the system.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 4:08 pm

LAC - Isn't amazing how much easier it is to explain things when you have a whiteboard to doodle on.

To All - I realized upon re-reading my posts that I may have come across as a little flipant. I apologize for that. I saw a topic that I felt I could in confidence contribute to after almost 4 years of lurking. To reinforce I am more than willing to help out on this matter and I have fairly extensive MS Access experience. In fact I should be able to put together the DB in a only a few hours. Writing directions on how to use it will take me longer. Also the DB without any data should be small enough to get emailed.

So, Mr Testa or Anyone interested, if you send me details (i.e. exactly what fields you want to track) I would be more than glad to send you a program. Please keep in mind you will need MS Access to run it however.

With respect...

T Rose · Post by **T Rose** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 6:02 pm

How do verify the data... seems once something is published, people take it as the absolute truth.

later

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 6:29 pm

Tracy

This is a good point. I think we have George's BB registry as a proper example of this. The data (raw or otherwise) could be displayed online. Anyone could look through it, and dispute any aspect (dates, whether or not...) of the relationship between person A and person B. We could even have people enter the data online, and save some postage. Individual entries could be edited before putting into the system. Whatever gaps we have could be filled in via independent research or general consensus.

- Bill

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 6:52 pm

Mr. Glasheen and Mr. Rose - I have sent an email to Mr. Testa to begin things rolling. You make some good points about verifying the data. I have some small experience with HTML and Web Applications but someone more experienced than myself can most likely create an online form than people can fill out. In fact Access 2000 can tie directly into a HTML page- although I've never done it myself.

An online form would also take the burden off of someone in regards to data-entry.

With Respect -

M. Keller · Post by **M. Keller** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 8:14 pm

Hello everyone,

In response to the last post, I just wanted to offer my services as well. I'm a lotus DB developer and I have plenty of web experience. The *best* solution for data collection would be to use a direct link between the database and the web. However, that would require some ASP programming and a heck of a lot of server room. More realistically, we could throw a static form online, and cut and paste email into a form/table. Testa-Sensei, would you want to keep this database on your local machine?

Best regards,

Mike Keller

LenTesta · Post by **LenTesta** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 8:50 pm

Thank you everone for addressing me so formally. Please call me Len.

Good Afternoon Mike, and welcome to the thread, and thank you for your offer to be on the team.

What a coincidence. I just purchased an HP Pavilion with a 40 gig hard drive and a 1ghz processor. I could easily store the database on this machine.

In order to keep from duplicating e-mails between team members we should post all comments about starting this project on this thread. If there is any information that any team member wishes to keep private he/she can e-mail me directly and I will forward it to the rest of the team. If you wish (or anyone else) to be on the team, e-mail me at <A HREF="mailto:brocktonuka@aol.com">brocktonuka@aol.com</A>

If Bill doesn't mind we can start a new thread in this forum for collecting data.

Welcome aboard.

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Len

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 9:06 pm

I have to smile. The collection of talent that is popping out of the woodwork.

I am currently programming in ASP myself and can do some things in it, and given time can figure out more. I have emailed Len and I was going to check out MS Access connections to Online forms this weekend, I think it would plug right in... but I don't know. So I'll find out.

I do believe that this is going to be fun.
I look forward to working with any and all on this project.

With much Respect -

Allen M. · Post by **Allen M.** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 9:58 pm

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How do verify the data... seems once something is published, people take it as the absolute truth.

In a painstaking, methodical, careful, thorough, and slow fashion. I was burned several times by some claiming to be what they were not in my first several books.

Most people are honest in what they write and tell, but there are those who hide their hierarchy, etc. For that reason I no longer do interviews of masters, instructors, and their students for my books. I learned the hard way.

Good to have only a database so that all you need to do is hit the delete key, rebuild the relations in it, and hit the print key.

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Allen Moulton from Uechi-ryu Etcetera

LAC · Post by **LAC** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 10:13 pm

Hello Team!!!

This is great. The talent and abilities of the individuals posting on this thread is incredible.
Before I was thinking I had to take a back seat, but now I think I have to get out of the car. I am an RPG programmer. I work on the IBM iseries e server(AS/400). I was hoping to at least be able to help out with the data entry. It seems even that may be covered. Which is great.
Unless anyone can see something that I am missing, I don't think there is anything more I can contribute to this project as far as hands on technical stuff. This is out of my league.

Hey, what about a team cheerleader?

I will still continue to follow this project and do what I can to see this happen. I will also share my thoughts if I feel they will help. Hopefully I will be able to convey them a bit better than my earlier attempts on this thread.

Good training, Peace Out....

Laura Cobb

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Fri Aug 03, 2001 10:53 pm

Len

By all means use the forum to coordinate the process. We are at your disposal.

- Bill