Mike Tyson vs. Bruce Lee????

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Fri Oct 19, 2001 4:41 am

Hi all,
I'm new here and I don't do martial arts, I'm just here to ask a question since all of u seem to be knowlegable.

Anyway, I've asked a few ppl if Mike Tyson and Bruce Lee fought(both in their primes) who would win(also, tyson has no gloves of course)?? SOme guys say Tyson is just to huge, strong, and fast and will kill Lee with one punch. Others say Lee is to fast and Tyson couldn't hit him.

Well, I myself believe tyson would destroy Lee because tyson is fast as hell(one of the best boxers) and one punch no matter who u are would destroy u. ALso, tyson is like 250 and Lee is 150 i think, HUGE size advantage. Someone posted this, i agree with it, what do u guys think?? I'm guessing though.

". As far as beating Mike Tyson, Tyson is 246 (last fight) Lee was 150 (at his heaviest), it would be ludicrous to believe that if they got into it at punching range that Lee would stand a snowballs chance in Hell. If he could clinch, using HKE (head butts, knees, and elbows) biu jee eye jabs, Jeet Tek (kicks to the knee), groin shots etc, he may have a chance. Otherwise, no way. Look at what happened when Royler Gracie fought Sakuraba. Giving up 50 lbs, the smaller, game skilled fighter lost to the bigger fighter. (Royler is considered one of the best people on the matt, next to Rickson."

dtk81 · Post by **dtk81** » Fri Oct 19, 2001 5:02 am

If your talking about a street fight anything goes?
well as of now tysons lost it a little. in his prime he could very well destroy Lee with one good hook bare handed.
Lee would have a chance but he would have to be very smart. it would be hard to say who would win...
but I think Cung Le could take on both of them.. not at the same time but one on one. in a street fight.

its not all about size all the time.. though a competition like UFC or Prime in japan size does matter where it is more enclosed and grappling its more important. if the guy wieghts 50-100 lbs more than you it makes it very hard..

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2Green · Post by **2Green** » Fri Oct 19, 2001 5:26 am

In racing, we call this "bench racing" which means whose motor "on the bench" could theoretically win over the others'.
In a rules fight, the winner is he/she whose fight most closely conforms to the perfect rules- standard..e.g. how many punches thrown/landed etc. within the round's time limit, unless a TKO occurs.
Although Bruce Lee greatly admired boxing and boxers, and recognized their skill, he abhorred any such limitations or dogmatic technique.
In a "boxing match", the boxer would have the advantage, because Lee would be in a rules situation and denied the reflexive use of his extensive weapons of both body and technique.
In the real world? Lee had a lot more survival techniques and his weight category never seemed to limit his technique delivery: testimonials from his various students and opponents over the years support this.
He did fight real people in real rules matches, and was never defeated.
Again, we are bench racing.
We like to think he could still beat anybody, don't we? He was awesome.
I think only he knows the answer.

Stryke · Post by **Stryke** » Fri Oct 19, 2001 6:24 am

Ahh the old does size matter question ..

Basically yes , I could argue either way on this one , truth is we`ll never know (BORING ANSWER) .

but anyone who thinks size dont matter

WAKE UP!!!

Size
Strength
Phsychology
Skill
Sex (M/F)

all these things are equally important in combat , The more you qualify for any of them the better youll do , NB skills only one of em .

Im not going to say Mr Tyson`s a physco to his face , but its a positive attribute in a big powerful mean fighter .

dtk81 · Post by **dtk81** » Fri Oct 19, 2001 8:07 am

i guess it would all depend, if lee was able to strike at the throat then he would have the upper hand. any hit there would take down anyone, its very lethal.
for sure lee wouldnt consider on going toe to toe.
one upper cut would send him and anyone flying and one full strength hook will send anyone to intensive care. delivered by someone of tysons power, when he was in his prime.

still Cung Le my man.. i think he would be able to take on Tyson.

candan · Post by **candan** » Fri Oct 19, 2001 9:41 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stryke:
Ahh the old does size matter question ..

Basically yes , I could argue either way on this one , truth is we`ll never know (BORING ANSWER) .

but anyone who thinks size dont matter

WAKE UP!!!

Size
Strength
Phsychology
Skill
Sex (M/F)

all these things are equally important in combat , The more you qualify for any of them the better youll do , NB skills only one of em .

Im not going to say Mr Tyson`s a physco to his face , but its a positive attribute in a big powerful mean fighter .

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Yep, agree. Also note he bites (strong survival instinct)! I think Bruce would have prefered to call him friend. Mike is just one of them guys that you don`t want to mess with esp. with no safety net unless he has something you really want desperately.

LeeDarrow · Post by **LeeDarrow** » Fri Oct 19, 2001 7:19 pm

Ah, the eternal "what if" of almost any sport.

In a no rules match, my money would be on Lee. Why? Extensive experience in real world street situations (he used to troll Hong Kong streets for gangs with his brother, I believe) and the use of his legs.

Remember, he was called the Dragon with Three Legs because of his kicking ability. His low line attacks to shins and ankles would probably daunt Tyson as he is not experienced with these kinds of attacks.

Remember, too, that Lee was also fast - very fast. Ths first hit against Bob Wall in Enter the Dragon was NOT sped up and was a three shot hit - fist, wrist and elbow and he learned his right by watching films of Ali in a mirror, so his ability to land with that is probably on a par with Tyson too.

In a standup boxing match - Tyson all the way, no question. Lee would be without the vast majority of his techniques (kicks, elbows, knees, finger strikes, hitting below the belt, etc.)

Regardless, it would make a LOT of money on Pay-Per-View!

Respectfully,

Lee Darrow, C.Ht.

dtk81 · Post by **dtk81** » Sat Oct 20, 2001 1:55 am

tyson was a street fighter as well. he grew up in a rough niehborhood. of new york i think

Raffi Derderian · Post by **Raffi Derderian** » Sat Oct 20, 2001 2:03 pm

I actually have never gotten into one of "Bruce Lee vs anybody" debates before. I always think they are kind of funny and senseless because most of the time they are being discussed by Bruce Lee groupies who think he could leap tall buildings in a single bound and beat up Godzilla. However, this isn't one of those types of debates. Thank God.
I would like to point out a few things that may contribute to this. While it is true Lee could use his throat and eye strikes, uh, don't you think Tyson would do that also? To presume Mike Tyson only can jab, cross and hook is crazy. Also, he might be able to eat one of Lee's kicks to the thigh while he tries to punch him. I don't think Lee would be standing (132 lbs) after a Mike Tyson uppercut. Both were streetfighters, but Tyson fought in a ring with guys who were trying to knock him out. Lee beat up on his students with lesser ability and who were, I am sure, mentally beaten before the match. I have also heard from good sources many of Bruce Lee's tales have come to be a little exagerated over the years.
However, it would be a super match and a huge PPV payoff.
Raf

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dtk81 · Post by **dtk81** » Sun Oct 21, 2001 3:46 am

what im tryin to say is most likly Lee would be a more seasoned fighter.. more exp than tyson who just would throw punches likly. Lee would use more survival techniques. tyson would want to take him out with a punch.

and for tysons fav punches its the hook and also the uppercut. he rarly if ever throws a jab. his last fight just on HBO he threw about 1 jab a round the rest was hooks which he says he throws on purpose and misses so he can setup for an uppercut or hook from the other side.

tysons not a boxer in the ring. hes a brawler with very good skills. watch how Roy jones and the prince box.. they are what you called true boxers especially Roy Jones who can box or go toe to toe with his oppenents that he faces.

but then again once in a while mike might get a little hungry and he might try to bite you... rogl
better watch out for that Lee

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TSDguy · Post by **TSDguy** » Sun Oct 21, 2001 4:17 am

OT:

I think it's a stretch to call the prince a boxer... he has no technique at __ALL__, just hits real hard. That's why he got whooped and went down in a lot of his last fights and then finally lost, and will continue to get whooped.

student · Post by **student** » Sun Oct 21, 2001 6:27 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ian:

Which Lee were you talkin' about, man?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Lee who had neither the scriptwriter nor the choreographer in his corner.

I personally believe that in a real, no holds barred encounter Lee would be smart and fast enough to do something to hurt/cripple Tyson before finishing him - but it's certainly not a certainty, and as they say, on any given Sunday....

There will always be another opinion about this, somewhere, some when.

student

Ian · Post by **Ian** » Mon Oct 22, 2001 5:59 am

I've been to a couple of Raffi's seminars and USED to think he knew what he was talking about. But now, after I see him leaning toward Tyson, I really have to wonder.

Raffi, didn't you see Chinese Connection??? Lee beat up a ROOM of Japanese baddies, whirling two of them around like, ahem, dummies, and then he gave the smackdown to not one but TWO evildoers armed with KATANA, jump side kicking the second of them some FIFTY feet through the air.

Which Lee were you talkin' about, man?

Jake Steinmann · Post by **Jake Steinmann** » Mon Oct 22, 2001 3:58 pm

Uumm...er...

All of you who seem to think that Tyson's only fights were in the ring might want to look a bit into the kid's background. He was a thug and gangbanger (ok, so he's STILL a thug...). You think he had no streetfighting experience? Get real.

Besides, if you think Tyson's arsenal is limited to punches, you clearly haven't seen his fight with Holyfield...

Crippling someone with a blow isn't as easy as it sounds...especially someone who's used to taking hits from professional heavyweight boxers...those guys hit each other so hard you can hear it across the stadium...without a microphone!

Any given sunday...

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Ted Dinwiddie · Post by **Ted Dinwiddie** » Mon Oct 22, 2001 4:38 pm

OK, OK, What the heck.

None of us has ever seen either one of these guys in a REAL fight, but there is anecdotal evidence that both of them have (had) experience. They both are (were) highly trained fighters.

No rules, no referee, both fighters physically sharp and experienced: Big guy wins.

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