Hellp David:
Respectfully MUST disagree w/one point you were suggesting to 2green!
When visiting another dojo/dojang/kwan, politely I would propose to you, it is FAR better to observe a class CAREFULLY... before you just "entered" even just for the class for the evening.
Seen too many, and heard of too many who paid for it, when they didn't.. they got caught "blind-sided" purely because they had NO idea who the classmates were, nor the maturity level of the instructor.
Watch FIRST, then ask to join for the evening....the other way has AVOIDABLE dangers <tiny shrug> IMHO.
Its my opinion I ~could~ be mistaken...
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Sincerely,
Jeff
~Self-Defense~: Learning how to get out of one's own way! Kara-te: Learning how to smile in the face of all things...
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Jeff,
quote[When visiting another dojo/dojang/kwan, politely I would propose to you, it is FAR better to observe a class CAREFULLY... before you just "entered" even just for the class for the evening.
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You are absolutely right. Homework is definitely in order. Knowing someone in the dojo helps. Knowing and understanding their approach helps because if it's not compatible, you're in for disappointment and/or trouble.
I have done training at different gyms, dojo's and such. There are definitely ways to do it. If done right, you can emerge with some tangible benefits.
I've written about how to approach "outside" training before and the protocols involved. I'm too lazy (tired right now) to type it all again. So, those interested can do a search.
Or, I'll do it myself later and post a link.
david
quote[When visiting another dojo/dojang/kwan, politely I would propose to you, it is FAR better to observe a class CAREFULLY... before you just "entered" even just for the class for the evening.
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You are absolutely right. Homework is definitely in order. Knowing someone in the dojo helps. Knowing and understanding their approach helps because if it's not compatible, you're in for disappointment and/or trouble.
I have done training at different gyms, dojo's and such. There are definitely ways to do it. If done right, you can emerge with some tangible benefits.
I've written about how to approach "outside" training before and the protocols involved. I'm too lazy (tired right now) to type it all again. So, those interested can do a search.
Or, I'll do it myself later and post a link.david
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Here's a link to a long ago post: "Recipe for a Dojo Visit."
http://www.xpres.net/~gmattson/ubbs/Forum12/HTML/000132.html
And here's another thread that touches on the subject.
http://www.xpres.net/~gmattson/ubbs/Forum12/HTML/000117.html
david
[This message has been edited by david (edited February 08, 2002).]
http://www.xpres.net/~gmattson/ubbs/Forum12/HTML/000132.html
And here's another thread that touches on the subject.
http://www.xpres.net/~gmattson/ubbs/Forum12/HTML/000117.html
david
[This message has been edited by david (edited February 08, 2002).]
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That is great that you go to visit other schools but, if you are not going there with an open mind as to what you can learn from them than you are just wasting the gasoline in your car's tank. Even if you don't like the school you are visiting and think that what they do is not right for you, realize that if you play the odds there is someone in that school that has a piece of information that you want. If you go into a school even as a vistitor with that mindset many times you will walk home with information that you did not know going in. The people who converse with you in their schools are more than likely probing you for info which means they are going to be receptive to sharing info. Don't be a pure spectator and ignore the information sitting in front of you.
Also if you go in with a defense attitude about people badmouthing your style or personal skill people will pick-up on that and avoid you. Nobody came to class that night to butt heads with some guy from another school. Most likely they will just steer around you as much as they can.
Lastley from a personal prespective, I always found it very annoying when people who were skilled showed up at schools where I trained at and played the "i am a novice game. If the school think you are playing that game they will very likely blow you off just as I blew people off who pulled that stunt at the schools I trained at.
If you are going to make the effort, and you should, to visit another school try to reap a benefit from it. Don't sour the experience with a negative attitude.
Also if you go in with a defense attitude about people badmouthing your style or personal skill people will pick-up on that and avoid you. Nobody came to class that night to butt heads with some guy from another school. Most likely they will just steer around you as much as they can.
Lastley from a personal prespective, I always found it very annoying when people who were skilled showed up at schools where I trained at and played the "i am a novice game. If the school think you are playing that game they will very likely blow you off just as I blew people off who pulled that stunt at the schools I trained at.
If you are going to make the effort, and you should, to visit another school try to reap a benefit from it. Don't sour the experience with a negative attitude.
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Allen M.
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When I first did TKD, I took a Uechi mindset into the dojang My arrogance that I thought those high kicks and low stances were stupid, their poomse were funny, their sparring was dumb, and Uechi out-fought anything that existed on the planet must have really permeated the atmosphere when I put on my dobok and strutted to the back row of the class. Maybe my attitude was the reason why they tried to nail me and my sparring techniques got my hamstrings frequently walloped by Sabunim Bamboo staff. Why he didn't kick me out or why I didn't quit goes unanswered to this day because TKD and me was a volatile mix of fire and oil in those days.
LOL! By the time I left that dojang for another part of the country I learned the reason for my snotty attitude: It was because when I started I couldn't do it [which was very embarrassing and demeaning to me at the time] and absolutely had to show them I was good.
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Allen Moulton from Uechi-ryu Etcetera
Ho ho ho, turbo tort. That was me-e!if you are not going there with an open mind as to what you can learn from them
When I first did TKD, I took a Uechi mindset into the dojang My arrogance that I thought those high kicks and low stances were stupid, their poomse were funny, their sparring was dumb, and Uechi out-fought anything that existed on the planet must have really permeated the atmosphere when I put on my dobok and strutted to the back row of the class. Maybe my attitude was the reason why they tried to nail me and my sparring techniques got my hamstrings frequently walloped by Sabunim Bamboo staff. Why he didn't kick me out or why I didn't quit goes unanswered to this day because TKD and me was a volatile mix of fire and oil in those days.
LOL! By the time I left that dojang for another part of the country I learned the reason for my snotty attitude: It was because when I started I couldn't do it [which was very embarrassing and demeaning to me at the time] and absolutely had to show them I was good.
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Allen Moulton from Uechi-ryu Etcetera
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When I was young I used to visit the new schools as they popped up. The whole reason I went was to make sure that the school I was in was not surpassed in its standards.
