Innovative Dan Kumite Take Down

Scott Danziger · Post by **Scott Danziger** » Mon Mar 18, 2002 3:49 am

Here is a really cool clip from Steve Perry's dojo Sensei Mattson sent me.

Broadband users should be able to click and watch it. All others, right click and save to your computer. It's a WMV and relatively small, about 513K.

CLICK HERE!

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Ian · Post by **Ian** » Mon Mar 18, 2002 11:37 pm

Cool--only worries are, why charge in pulling a hand back, how do we stop that round kick from taking the catcher down if he just fires it hard at the head (just seemed to stop at the upper arm), and what do we expose ourselves to closing with one hand against two for the takedown? I personally couldn't deliver a kill with a punch at the end, either, but others may be able to.

Allen M. · Post by **Allen M.** » Tue Mar 19, 2002 12:49 am

Well Scott, this machine does only mpeg and sometimes avi and nothing else.

Sorry that I have missed so much stuff that you posted.

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Scott Danziger · Post by **Scott Danziger** » Tue Mar 19, 2002 4:12 am

Allen,

Are you running windows? If so do you have Windows Media Player 7.1?

I want to conserve space on the servers because there are so many files ther now. I have been converting the older ones. However, I will email it to you.

Post by **gmattson** » Tue Mar 19, 2002 6:04 pm

Real player keeps popping up, then says it is "unable to connect to the server"!

Seems like every "player" installs itself as the default viewer, which must cause problems with clips that demand to be viewed on a certain player.

How can we change the viewer we wish to use. (win2000)

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Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Tue Mar 19, 2002 7:02 pm

While you gentlemen are getting the technical difficulties worked out...

This clip was made at the New England regional dan test last St. Patty's day, graciously hosted by Steve Perry at his dojo. When it came time for prearranged kumite and bunkai, the judges split up. I had the opportunity to work with Marshall, who is one of Steve's students. After it was over, he and I played a bit together with this and one other takedown move he did.

Here are my comments:

1) Steve's dojo - in my opinion - represents an interesting, up-and-coming paradigm for Uechi dojos. The Okinawan gold standard of the wooden floor necessarily causes people to practice Uechi like a striking system even though it contains many grappling and grappling response elements. Steve has these 3 by 6 mats (plus or minus) in a herringbone pattern on the floor. The possibilities it creates makes one completely rethink how the style should be practiced. Ever thought about the surface they use at mixed martial arts events? Ever wondered about what your training would be like if you had one every day?

The only floor I found more interesting was David Lamb's dojo in Lincoln. That was a regulation spring-loaded gymnastics floor. And you LOVE to stomp on that kind of floor!

2) The crux of the technique is first to do a classic Uechi cross block, and then hook the upper arm under the leg. From there it's just a matter of stepping into the horse stance behind the other leg.

3) I pointed out to Marshal that there was an easier way to set this one up. Basically do an upside-down cross block (leading arm down, lagging up), or think of it as a turn into the double scooping block technique seen in seichin. The rest is straightforward. It also suggests other ways to do the takedown

4) <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote

how do we stop that round kick from taking the catcher down if he just fires it hard at the head

Firing a roundhouse kick higher creates other vulnerabilities. And roundhouses aren't that hard to block - even if done high - providing you pick up that one is coming. There are very few Bill Wallace types in the world that'll outdo you. The only problem I've ever had was working with my big man Tony, who had over 300 pounds of mass behind that leg and was plenty fast. Not a good idea to stand and take that one; I twice got injured (sprained elbow, pulled lower back) trying to slam into that. Best to go with the flow a bit in that case.

5) <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote

and what do we expose ourselves to closing with one hand against two for the takedown? I personally couldn't deliver a kill with a punch at the end, either, but others may be able to.

Nothing if you break their center first; that is key to doing any throw like this. It's not that hard to do. Once you've done that, they can slap all they want at you.

I have been at the receiving end of those kinds of takedowns on a hard floor. The roundhouse to the head used to be my favorite technique when I was a young buck. Very difficult to block if you fake a front kick first. Then I ran across a Uechika (Rad Smith) who could predictably grab it and dump me. After many painful falls on the wooden floor (he can't POSSIBLY do that again...), I went back to the drawing board.

As for the kill punch, well the floor provides that if you do the throw right (with evil intent) and the surface is hard enough. The bigger they come...

6) Steve Perry's student was outstanding. His kumite performance was the only maximum score I gave that whole day, and there was quite a bit of good karate displayed by ALL schools. Just as with the Khoury/Perry test at last fall's promotional, there was obviously a lot of good preparation involved.

- Bill

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Scott Danziger · Post by **Scott Danziger** » Tue Mar 19, 2002 10:55 pm

George, (and averybody else having problems with wmv files)

Open up windows media player ver 7 or 7.1. Click on "tools" -> "Options" then click on the "formats" tab. From there click on all the formats you want windows media player to play. Make sure windows media file is checked because that is what the wmv format is. This should stop Real media from trying to associate with wmv.

Anybody needing windows media player can get it here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/default.asp

Scott

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Post by **gmattson** » Tue Mar 19, 2002 11:12 pm

Did all that Scott. Still get the..

"Unable to establish a connection to the server" message.

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Scott Danziger · Post by **Scott Danziger** » Tue Mar 19, 2002 11:17 pm

In case anybody is still having problems, here are some Real Media versions of the clip.

(Yes I can now create .rm files. However, even the high quality version doesn't seem better than windows media files)

56K Version
Broadband Version

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Ian · Post by **Ian** » Tue Mar 19, 2002 11:19 pm

I agree that the head level roundhouse isn't all that easy to do, is quite rare on the street, and can be easy to block--but you have to block it. From the video it looked like the foot was just coming to rest at the upper arm when it could just as easily slid over. I think the cross and catch of reverse cross block are safer options, and before closing I'd kick the groin and or supporting knee.

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Post by **gmattson** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 1:28 am

That works Scott. For some reason, the Microsoft Player won't.

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Allen M. · Post by **Allen M.** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 2:40 am

thanks Scott. I liked the video a lot and looks like an excellent fast-moving sparring practice sequence to work on. That last block is a valid block. But what I like especially about it is the moving in on the kick and capturing the leg right behind the knee instead of around the ankle or the lower part of the shin like I used to do. On a scale of 1 to 10, it has to be at least a 9.5 in my notebook.

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Shaolin · Post by **Shaolin** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 6:07 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ian:
how do we stop that round kick from taking the catcher down if he just fires it hard at the head<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Easy - kick to his center, which in this case are his jewels. The resulting impact will also make him airborn. Note: In this case you will get better results striking with the heel of your foot.

For practice one may kick a little lower than the jewels and get the upper support leg, which would hurt less but still send him flying away - and elimininate the need for the extra work of the 'takedown move'.

A Round kick attack is not advisable IMHO in combat as it is too easily countered.

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raulf7 · Post by **raulf7** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 9:53 am

I fail to see what is innovative about that take down, its a well taught and well used one

Ian · Post by **Ian** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 2:29 pm

"kick to his center, which in this case are his jewels. The resulting impact will also make him airborn. Note: In this case you will get better results striking with the heel of your foot."

I agree that's a valid counter to a roundkick, although depending on when you land your kick, you still have to protect your head and one can't ALWAYS see the roundkick coming with enough time to deflate it with a counterkick. You can protect your head by leaning back or with a block.

But my question was not about defenses to kicks in general but about the *depicted block* which didn't show any protection to the head, so if the kick had been higher, it would have hit the head. People do get KO'd by head level roundhouse kicks.