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The scary part is that after using the pocket size rescue tool, the crazy bat wielder may still keep on swinging at your nogging.

Metal bat..anyone? Those kids swung so fast and so hard I could barely perceive the swing.

But there is always Seisan bunkai and kicks in the legs, right? Image

Problem is that as we teach the bunkai response, and the student associates it with successful defense against a bat swing, he might actually take a chance in the street and go against a bat, instead of turning tail and running.

And the first swing of the bat in a bone crushing blow is only the opening salvo in the street.

More "meat tenderizing" shots are about to follow with glee.

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I'm with you, Van; I'll take the bat.

The problem with the defense scenarios - assuming you're crazy enough to go for it - is that the bunkais we practice for test requirements aren't the answer. I believe the answers are most definitely in our forms (and I have practiced some of them) but most folks never work on them.

One of the better defense scenarios I ever practiced was at camp, and taught by Bobby Campbell. He actually successfully used it on a BG in the Phillipines, but then that's Bobby... If you look, you find his solution in sanseiryu kata, and NOT seisan:

* charge forward to center on side of direction of swing,

* elbow movement in kata = grab around neck/head

* rotation to next move in kata = rotation of bad guy's neck/body, carrying your own body momentum into the movement...

The over-the-head strike defense really isn't practiced that well either. My preference is a charge forward using elbow like a knight's jousting pole and "wauke" as nothing more than a feeler. I realize it's too dangerous to practice this in the dojo the way you SHOULD do it but... Perhaps we just need to practice on an uke in a Blue Man suit or something.

In any case, the common blade and bat are so effective in close-combat situations that I think I'd prefer it to the pocket-sized tool. The empty-handed disarm is a possibility for a Bob Campbell, and a last-ditch dream for the common karateka. But it makes for a good skit in a Jackie Chan movie. Image LOL - would probably end up in the blooper section at the end of movie. Image

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Brian

I think Kraada clued you in on something really important here. Generally when you have a situation like this, it's because there's some jerk in the dorm that doesn't care for you and/or likes to create problems for people by giving "anonymous tips." Best to be discrete in life on many levels.

One of my favorite American Kobudo weapons is the common baseball bat. That's as American as apple pie; no way someone is going to take that away from you. Now I'm not sure about kata for such, but I will tell you that the batting cage makes for great prearranged kumite drills. Image

Another EXTREMELY practical weapon of SELF-DEFENSE is the common cell phone. Don't leave home without it! Not sure though what Van would say about the use of such under stress and fine motor coordination... Image

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When I was in college at the University of Kentucky in the 1980s, there was one time when the weather was nice, I was frustrated over something, and I decided to work out in a somewhat secluded area next to the dorm to release some pent up energy. Wasn't long before that dorm's hall director and a couple of floor directors came out to have a talk with me about doing karate by the dorm. Seems I was causing concern among some students so they took their concerns to the hall director of that dorm. Of course, it did wonders for my ego that they felt they needed four people to talk to little ol' me! Image But at any rate Asia this is not, and people doing any kind of martial arts in a public place is generally viewed with suspicion.

Something to keep in mind here is the perspective of the colleges. My wife works in the Judicial Affairs office (that's the office that punishes the students who break the university's rules) at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, and she has to deal with issues of safety every day.

A college is mandated to take steps to keep its students safe. And if they err, the colleges will generally try to err on the side of safety, both because of safety concerns and because of the constant law-suits they have to deal with.

Keep in mind that everytime a student gets himself drunk and injures himself, the college gets sued. A female student at a dry campus goes into a fraternity after hours (i.e. when no visitors are allowed), gets drunk and then falls out a 3rd-floor window...the college gets sued. A student, without permission, goes into a building closed for repairs and gets trapped under some shifting drywall...the college gets sued. Colleges have highly public policies and restrictions against hazing, yet whenever a fraternity violates the policies and there is a harmful hazing incident the college gets sued. A student is assaulted on campus, the college gets sued. Someone uses a weapon on campus, the college gets sued.

Colleges have no choice but to crack down on a lot that is allowed elsewhere. And they are given a lot of leeway to do so, including confiscations. They are an organization, and just as companies can make rules about weapons a condition for employment, colleges can make them a condition for attending. Students sign agreements to the policies when they enroll at the college after all (read the fine print).

And even if the dean couldn't confiscate it, the college police/security force can. Here in Nebraska there is not much in the way of state or local restrictions on gun ownership, but students at UNL are not allowed to keep hunting weapons in their rooms. If they want hunting weapons on campus, they have to turn them over to the campus police (which unlike some universities is a fully functional police force with the same training and authority as the city police) and then check them out when they want to hunt.

College policies about weapons are based on safety concerns and built upon incidents that have happened in the past. And of course they generally go by both what is commonly viewed as a weapon and what is commonly treated as a weapon. Nunchuku are commonly viewed as weapons and treated as such by those who own them. Plastic bottles and drumsticks are neither commonly viewed as weapons nor commonly treated as such by their owners. That makes a difference in determining what to disallow/confiscate and what to allow.

Rather than just criticize them as restricting "freedoms", keep in mind why colleges exist and what kind of legal environment they are forced to operate in.

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Good post Glen. We live in a very sue-happy culture. Funny, no one ever blames the kooks who do the sueing... just those who must take the precautions.

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This says it all (and connects to a funny website).

First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers

- William Shakespeare

(With apologies to student, who makes a living protecting us from the other 99.9% of the bloodsucking crowd.. Image )

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There is wisdom in George's remarks, and in an objective perspective of the situation. Rather than be obsessed about what you can't do, instead look at what avenues have been left open by our sometimes illogical society. Then quietly take advantage of them. Image

Sometime it matters not whether you are right or wrong, or what seems "just." Instead, it is best to keep the objective in mind and achieve it by whatever reasonably ethical means that is available to you.

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The only people who get sued (and loose) are those who (a) Do something they aren't supposed to or (B) Don't do something they are supposed to.

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Gene

Somehow I missed you as "one of the good guys..." Image However, I think you've REALLY missed something here. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
The only people who get sued (and loose)...
Did it ever occur to you that the vast majority of people in this country cannot afford to be sued and win??? The problem with our litigeous society is that you don't need a good reason to sue someone. And the system is not accountable for its abuses.

Give me the British system, where the losing party pays the legal expenses of both. Image

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
The problem with our litigeous society is that you don't need a good reason to sue someone.
Yes you do. Do any of the lawyers out there have any numbers on how many civil suits are tossed in the opening stages on "Summary Judgement"?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
And the system is not accountable for its abuses.
Again, do any of our attorney friends have any data on the number of lawyers/plaintiffs fined by the court for filing frivolous suits?

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Give me the British system, where the losing party pays the legal expenses of both.
Breeds too much fear. Only those people who can afford to loose will file suits. regular people will stay away from the legal system, allowing the bullies to continued unfettered.

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Did it ever occur to you that the vast majority of people in this country cannot afford to be sued and win???
I'm sure finances have something to do with this, but is it really a "vast majority"?

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And how many frivilous lawsuits are settled out of court because it is cheaper for the defendant than to try to fight it. It seems that the general mindset of lawsuits is not to win a court case but to get an out-of-court cash award. This seems to be particularly true when suing companies/organizations. This mindset is helped by the media which constantly points out how lawsuits can be used to "get rich quick"...and media attention is much more effective than the early morning infomercial.

Let's face it, the legal system, like any other entity, is not flawless...and it can be manipulated. A friend of mine was sitting in his car when someone walked up and for no apparent reason assaulted him through the window, hitting him in the face and shoulder several times, yelling at him, and then just walking off. He sued the assailant for the medical costs. The assailant counter-sued claiming mental anguish caused by the stress of the victim's actions during the assault. My friend would have had to turn over all of his financial records to the assailant and pay legal costs for 2 lawsuits, with no guarentee of winning either. He dropped his suit so that the one against him would be dropped...and ate the medical costs himself. Score a victory for the frivilous lawsuit.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeeDarrow:
In my case, I was awarded $4,500. One third of which went to my attorney and the balance of which was eaten up in fees and costs.
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This begs the question: Given that outcome, would you do it again?

Was there any other outcome for the defendant other than having to pay the $4,500?

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It's only rich guys like you, Fred, who can afford a 'vette while dudes like I have been relegated to drive around in pickup trucks.

Student, can the green hose be construed as a dangerous weapon?



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Allen, the "green garden hose" shtick is the begining of a comic riff that Lee Darrow has done for over thirty years about his first karate tournament as a green belt, back around 1066. I won't even attmpt to do it justice in print; you have to see Lee do it.
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Murry..

Sounds like the skit Jim Maloney, Bob Bethoney and Art Rabesa used to do at camps. Called the "Towel Kata"!

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