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Van Canna · Post by **Van Canna** » Tue Aug 21, 2001 3:51 am

Rich,

Where did you order those from?

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Van Canna

RACastanet · Post by **RACastanet** » Tue Aug 21, 2001 1:33 pm

Hello Van. The M1s and ammo come from the civilian marksmanship program. The website is odcmp.com. Click on ammo sales and then the shoppping cart. The 400 rounds come to $99.50 delivered. This batch is shiney bright 1966 Lake City.

The CMP was almost out of everything earlier this year but the Army surprised them with three truckloads that turned up. I also got a can of 1080 rounds of 30 carbine in bandoliers no less.

You must be a member of a CMP affiliated club. Prior US military service is accepted for the marksmanship requirement.

Rich

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RACastanet · Post by **RACastanet** » Tue Aug 21, 2001 1:38 pm

Another try. The url link on the forum is causing a problem with the CMP link. It is odcmp.com

Panther · Post by **Panther** » Tue Aug 21, 2001 3:29 pm

Lee, my hypnotizing friend... I will attempt to answer some of your post, but just to clue you in, we are talking about the "People's (sic) Republic of Massachusetts!" (PRoMA)...

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by LeeDarrow:

As to the ACLU, they ONLY get involved when someone comes to THEM with a case. Understand, folks, they are NOT a watchdog group, but an advocacy group for equal protection under the law, for ALL citizens. They do not just jump in on such things.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, but this is a decidedly UN-pc issue as far as the ACLUseless is concerned. The ACLU has officially stated that they believe, follow and support only the "collective rights" version of the 2nd Amendment. They just ignore the fact that the phrase "the people" means each individual citizen in the 1st, 4th, 5th, 9th & 10th, but that according to them that phrase actually means "the State" in the 2nd... hmmmm... I guess that means the 10th should read "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the States."

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote

IMHO, the Supremes would probably not like the way this was done ...

I really have a problem with the fact that in order to get something to go as far as the SCOTUS you have start with a bankroll of about a million dollars. Which means if you don't have somebody like the ACLU footing the bill, you're toast. (And don't even get me going about the largest gun-control organization in the country... commonly referred to as the NRA!

)

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I still think there'a a valid challenge on the safety issue deal - make 'em follow their own rules - and watch a whole bunch of LEO types get REALLY ticked off at not being able to carry what they were issued or had to buy for the job.

Equal protection would seem to be a serious issue here. If the weapons blocked by the regs and laws are unsafe for civilians, then they are unsafe in ANY hands - QED. Move to force them to remove the exemptions for LEO and watch how quickly this deal collapses.

It would seem that attacking it from this angle would remove the statute of limitations issue. Public safety is the primary concern...right?

It would also be the chink in their legal armor. It would also be the most obvious method of doing damage to this nonsense.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, but that was already tried. The Massachusetts court already said that 1) those folks are exempt and that's OK, 2) they don't think it violates any equal protection clause because they don't think the RKBA is a right (collective right BS again), and 3) go away, you don't have standing in our eyes. Basically, in Massachusetts on this issue we have been barred from working within the system by... the system! How can you fight an unConstitutional law in the system's courts using their designated methods if they basically say, "tough $hit, too bad, go away, learn to live with the jackboot on your neck, nani-nani-na-na..."? The answer of course is exactly the message they want us to get!

And as for hitting the politicians where they hurt... Massachusetts is a one party State. Mostly they call themselves Democrats, but some of them call themselves Republicans. Those that call themselves Republicans usually are just used by the media to put forth the premise that there is a choice of which lesser lizard to vote for. Interestingly enough many of the strongest defenders of the RKBA in Massachusetts are Democrats and many of the biggest grabbers are Republicrats.

<blockquote>"On its world, the people are people.
The leaders are lizards.
The people hate the lizards and the
lizards rule the people."

"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you
said it was a democracy."

"I did," said Ford. "It is."

"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't
sounding ridiculously obtuse,
"why don't the people get rid of the
lizards?"

"It honestly doesn't occur to them,"
said Ford. "They've all got the vote,
so they all pretty much assume that
the government they've voted in more
or less approximates to the government
they want."

"You mean they actually vote for the
lizards?"

"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug,
"of course."

"But," said Arthur, going for the big
one again, "why?"

"Because if they didn't vote for a
lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard
might get in. Got any gin?"

--from "So Long, and Thanks for
All The Fish", by Douglas Adams.</blcokquote>