Translation Please!

Bill Glasheen · Post by **Bill Glasheen** » Thu Jan 09, 2003 6:31 pm

sochin

All this is really good stuff.

You really should try to download the video clip some way. The video says it all.

- Bill

Shaolin · Post by **Shaolin** » Thu Jan 09, 2003 6:40 pm

I thought there was some contact on occasion. To me the moves look a lot like Aikido but with less contact and energy. Movies of Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of Aikido look, at times, very much like this - hardly touching and seemingly with complete uke compliance. Not sure how much is uke compliance or not in some of these systems - cleary lots can be done with balance manipulation in very subtle ways.

Jim

jorvik · Post by **jorvik** » Thu Jan 09, 2003 8:41 pm

Hi Jim,
I really love Aikido, but I am highly critical of it as well......or at least many of it's practitioners. Bill will say things about Chi-sters, but until you have really trained with these absurd people you cannot be prepared for the mindless verbage about how they " extend their Ki" etc,etc......unfortunately Aikido is riddled with them. ( As is Tai Chi).......That video clip, well I would like to see the fat guy do that to a thai boxer. That's really the point.....it's about honesty.
This is one of the things that I enjoy about these forums, the honesty...... and expressed in different ways.
With traditional Aikido ( Aikikai) half of the art is learning to fall properly. The techniques are not that far removed from Daito-Ryu...however they are done as a Yoga type thing.
MA'S are like a dream....you have to keep on pinching yourself to see if you have fallen asleep....and to make sure that you are in touch with reality

Shaolin · Post by **Shaolin** » Sun Jan 12, 2003 12:44 am

jorvik wrote:Hi Jim,
I really love Aikido, but I am highly critical of it as well......or at least many of it's practitioners. Bill will say things about Chi-sters, but until you have really trained with these absurd people you cannot be prepared for the mindless verbage about how they " extend their Ki" etc,etc......unfortunately Aikido is riddled with them. ( As is Tai Chi).......That video clip, well I would like to see the fat guy do that to a thai boxer. That's really the point.....it's about honesty.
This is one of the things that I enjoy about these forums, the honesty...... and expressed in different ways.
With traditional Aikido ( Aikikai) half of the art is learning to fall properly. The techniques are not that far removed from Daito-Ryu...however they are done as a Yoga type thing.
MA'S are like a dream....you have to keep on pinching yourself to see if you have fallen asleep....and to make sure that you are in touch with reality

Agree. Do you know anything about Atemi? From what I can gather this seems to be a part of Aikido that is somewhat streamlined and more direct. Would that aspect of the system be closer to the Daito Ryu version?

Thanks,

Jim

nick · Post by **nick** » Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:24 am

jorvik says," ...I would like to see the fat guy do that to a thai boxer."

I'm with jorvik on this one.
I think the big man would get a very unpleasant surprise if he found himself up against a thai boxer.

jorvik · Post by **jorvik** » Sun Jan 12, 2003 1:20 pm

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Do you know anything about Atemi? From what I can gather this seems to be a part of Aikido that is somewhat streamlined and more direct. Would that aspect of the system be closer to the Daito Ryu version? "

Firstly, what do you mean by Atemi? It can be defined in a number of ways. As a system of nerve strikes, as a method to set your opponent up for a pin or lock, or as a finnisher when he is down. Generally it is used to denote a strike.
This is a difficult question to answer. From personnal experience at Aikikai Aikido, I can say that I never really saw any Atemi at all. There are three major strikes in Aikido, which are used as attacks they are a downward chop to the top of the head, a circular chop to the side of the head and a straight punch to the centre of the body. In sport Aikido ( which I did for a very short time) there were no strikes to mention. In Kaze Arashi
( which I again did for a short time) there is a complete system of punches and kicks which are referred to as Kempo. There are also a number of other techniques called kurrakow ( I can't spell it, that's the pronounciation) which are for ripping the throat out ( A La " Roadhouse"), squishing the eyes etc.
I have picked up a few Daito Ryu moves over the years, and I have also read and seen books of Morihei Ueshiba when he was younger, in them he uses strikes.....just basic punches, nothing to get excited about.

I have an idea that you may be thinking in terms of the "Bobby Dazzler" type throws that stephen Segal does. The type of palm heel strike throw........or his closeline throw ( which I have heard referred to as an Atemi Throw)...........
If Aikido was 90% Atemi ......wouldn't it look a lot more like Karate?........I think that what was meant here was that you should think in terms of a distracting punch or the like to set some one up for a technique.
Hope that answers some of your question.

I see from your profile that you are in NYC. Dont't know much about the geography of your country but I believe these people are there
check out
http://www.kazearashiryu.org/
to get a taste of Aiki Jutsu.......someone in their organisation has already combined it with Wing-Chun

IJ · Post by IJ » Sun Jan 12, 2003 8:59 pm

I spose a technique for ripping out the throat would be entertaining to learn, but if you ever want to remove someone's trachea with your bare hands, you'd better have about 8 hours to do the ripping and clawing. That's just not happening. Why not just hit it or push into it (at notch at bottom of throat?)?

jorvik · Post by **jorvik** » Sun Jan 12, 2003 9:08 pm

Hi Ian.
I am glad you responded.....This is what I was told, not being a medical man, I dunno.
The stuff seemed pretty good though, and I took it as genuine. Maybe the Japanese have weak throats

.....As I say I dunno.

PS loved your recipes
copied them in fact