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Can you speak Canadian?

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You aren't Canadian if you aren't taxed to death. And the Canadians have a wonderful way of applying it.

A new employee of mine is attempting to deduct his moving expenses. He writes...
In order to be able to deduct your moving expenses on your Canadian Federal Income Taxes, you must show that:

"you were an employee or self employed individual who was a deemed or factual resident who moved to a new work location to or from Canada or between two locations outside Canada and the move was from one place where you ordinarily resided to live in another place where you ordinarily resided"
You all have my deepest sympathy.

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Post by Mary S »

Gee Bill....that's almost as good as:

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to
Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one,
Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three."

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Question is, who learned from whom? Or is this the universal doublespeak of politicians
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Reading Mary's post

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reminds me why lawyers are necessary!

They create documents that only they can translate. :evil:
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Isn't that a language called " Officialese" :D
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Canadian tax laws are great Bill. No one understands them, if you get close to understanding them they change them the next year.

The laws are vague and confusing. This creates grey areas. Grey areas are cool cause they save me money. If your looking for some extra deductions you got to play in the grey zone.

Find a confusing regulation and use an interpretation that benifits you . Then contact your local dept of revenue and taxation and run your interpretaion past them. If they disagree thank them and hang up.

Call back the next day and do it again. Chances are you talk to a different person. If they agree with you get their full name and record the time and date of the conversation. Ask them to send you some free tax forms. There is now a paper trail that you talked to them.You can even ask them to send you a l memo explaining the interpretation so you can explain it to your book keeper, now it's in writting.

So you file your tax return and maybe you have really streached a few laws. You get audited, your laughing. When the tax man try's to deny a deduction, you show the proof that his own co workers told you it was a valid interpretation. They allow the deduction cause they always back their own.

I love confusing laws, but they seem to fix them every year.

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Post by Rick Wilson »

Come on guys, I don’t see the problem here. You folks just don’t understand Government-Speak. :)

The wording is actually written to cover many cases without having to write many paragraphs.

Rather than writing numerous permutations, this paragraph covers them all in one. Without this wording you would have to write a paragraph to cover each of the following situations:

1) Employee + deemed resident + moved to Canada

2) Employee + deemed resident + moved from Canada

3) Employee + deemed resident + moved between two locations outside Canada

4) Employee + factual resident + moved to Canada

5) Employee + factual resident + moved from Canada

6) Employee + factual resident + moved between two locations outside Canada

7) Self employed individual + deemed resident + moved to Canada

8. Self employed individual + deemed resident + moved from Canada

9) Self employed individual + deemed resident + moved between two locations outside Canada

10) Self employed individual + factual resident + moved to Canada

11) Self employed individual + factual resident + moved from Canada

12) Self employed individual + factual resident + moved between two locations outside Canada


And if you don’t cover the situation there will be guys (Laird) looking for the loop holes. :)
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Rick I notice on your web site the classes at Canada Place. For some reason I suspected you might work for a crown corporation like cadc or some thing.

But after seeing how easy you simplified the tax rules, and after you said,"And if you don’t cover the situation there will be guys (Laird) looking for the loop holes. " I fear you may be the tax man 8O 8O 8O :roll: . I which case I'm hooped.

Laird


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Yeah but I’m in the Client Service Division -- we’re the good guys. :)

Besides, the forums have to stay safe for open expression, so what’s said here stays here. :wink:
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Post by Bill Glasheen »

Rick

Actually after having seen some of your detailed kata analysis, it makes sense that you would step up and interpret.

I more or less did the same thing when I read the paragraph. However I think mathematics and computer languages have a more elegantly parsimonious way to express these thoughts. But my equations and computer code would make most folks' eyes glass over.

Hey, we science and math geeks need job security too! ;)

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gmattson wrote:reminds me why lawyers are necessary!

They create documents that only they can translate. :evil:
Mattson-Shihan,

They are also the only people in the world who can, with a straight face, call a 75,000 page document a "brief."

Cousin Clarence always loved that little bit of disparity.

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