How to execute a sweep - Need input!
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How to execute a sweep - Need input!
Does anybody have any pointers, tips, styles for doing sweeps? I'm all ears.
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One word "KA ZU SHI." Break the balance of the person your throwing/sweeping. Tugg at the lead hand, use your front foot to sweep at uki's front leg then drive in deep with a back leg mawashi taking both legs. Don't forget to follow them down to the ground to keep control and follow up. Also, use your hands and feet to attack and draw attention to uki's body, then drive in deep for the sweep and take both legs.
1. Break there balance (by attacking, drawing an attack, a short sweep to the front leg, angles, etc.)
2. Time your attack
3. Once you start sweeping and they lose balance don't let up, keep sweeping.
In my dojo we do a lot of throws and sweeps, using them in full contact kumite. I was given the nick name "the broom."
1. Break there balance (by attacking, drawing an attack, a short sweep to the front leg, angles, etc.)
2. Time your attack
3. Once you start sweeping and they lose balance don't let up, keep sweeping.
In my dojo we do a lot of throws and sweeps, using them in full contact kumite. I was given the nick name "the broom."
The sweep is my favorite technique…I just can’t say enough about it. It took me 12 years before I finally got the timing just right. Keep working hard and it will come…in time."kazushi," a theory devised by Jigoro Kano during his jujitsu training and used so successfully against Kito-ryu master Tsunetoshi likubo. "Using a minimum amount of strength, it is possible to throw your opponent if you force him off -balance by breaking his posture."
You didn't specify tournament, combat or just foolin' around.
However, logic dictates that first you must determine, and be sure of which leg the opponent's weight is on; that is the leg you must sweep.
There are ways to lure a sweeper so you must be careful.
Second, you must have a technique which can reliably collapse the standing leg.
This is real tricky; since (usually) it is the rear leg, farthest from you.
If the opponent is clearly reaching, and weight is on the forward leg, then, providing you are not being lured, you now need a reliable sweep that is allowable (tournament), effective and non-recoverable (street), or effective but just for demonstration (foolin' around.)
It's going to involve fast footwork, reliable balance on your part, most likely a crescent or down-snap knee kick, and impeccable timing, perhaps against a faster, more well-balanced opponent. (Who can't jump, and has never encountered a sweep before?)
Good luck!
Easy question, hard answer.
NM
However, logic dictates that first you must determine, and be sure of which leg the opponent's weight is on; that is the leg you must sweep.
There are ways to lure a sweeper so you must be careful.
Second, you must have a technique which can reliably collapse the standing leg.
This is real tricky; since (usually) it is the rear leg, farthest from you.
If the opponent is clearly reaching, and weight is on the forward leg, then, providing you are not being lured, you now need a reliable sweep that is allowable (tournament), effective and non-recoverable (street), or effective but just for demonstration (foolin' around.)
It's going to involve fast footwork, reliable balance on your part, most likely a crescent or down-snap knee kick, and impeccable timing, perhaps against a faster, more well-balanced opponent. (Who can't jump, and has never encountered a sweep before?)
Good luck!
Easy question, hard answer.
NM
Thanks for the info Karateka and 2Green. I wasn't really looking for any specific situation sweep, the more the merrier though!
It appears that the sweep is meant to go after the leg that has the weight on it, to result in the opponent falling over, which as mentioned, is usually the back leg, unless they are reaching. Would there be any legal sweep that targetted the knee/area below the knee that would almost jerk the person in a direction (even with little-to-no weight on that leg, and then could lead into a sweep), or is that out of the question of being legal (I'm guessing it is), or is it legal, like it is in Muay Thai, etc.
Basically, it would strike the person's leg, about 4 inches down below the knee, thus making them twitch as a result of that, and then you would keep that movement going and should/could/maybe lead into a sweep. The more I think about it, the more I don't see that worknig, and it probably isn't legal, so I'll forget about it.
Also, I've taken interest in sweeps because I am a taller guy, but there are weaknesses to everything, so I won't even open that can of worms.
It appears that the sweep is meant to go after the leg that has the weight on it, to result in the opponent falling over, which as mentioned, is usually the back leg, unless they are reaching. Would there be any legal sweep that targetted the knee/area below the knee that would almost jerk the person in a direction (even with little-to-no weight on that leg, and then could lead into a sweep), or is that out of the question of being legal (I'm guessing it is), or is it legal, like it is in Muay Thai, etc.
Basically, it would strike the person's leg, about 4 inches down below the knee, thus making them twitch as a result of that, and then you would keep that movement going and should/could/maybe lead into a sweep. The more I think about it, the more I don't see that worknig, and it probably isn't legal, so I'll forget about it.
Also, I've taken interest in sweeps because I am a taller guy, but there are weaknesses to everything, so I won't even open that can of worms.
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Stryke
Sweeps are all about timing , you must sweep as the opponents moves or shifts his weight , either as or just before he plants his weight , this is the only way sweeps work , otherwise were talking about kicking , sweeping a grounded opponent is futile .
if you get the timing right , little force is needed .
if you get the timing right , little force is needed .
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jorvik
I would recommend two books. Ticky Donovan " Winning Tournemant karate" and a book by Sensei Enoeda of shotokan...which I can't remmember the title of, but which deals with the favourite techniques of individual shotokan Sensei....his speciality was the sweep.............I spent a long time looking for the principle of sweeping, and there are a number of different types of sweep. Generally there is the light sweep were you just gently move the opponent's leg with your own...there is another more spectacular one and here contact is made with the top of your thigh..get someone to hook you press their arm down and back then step forward on your front leg and turn to face them, this is the position you need to be in for this sweep...then walk through them..your hip hits their hip and bounces them off. In practise it looks like you are attacking the back leg ( you should turn your foot out) in fact your foot will never make contact.it's a really deep sweep which if successful looks tremendous and is a fight stopper........another thing to think is the principle of making the opponent put all his weight on his back leg, this works if you are attacking his front leg.....from that position it is hard to regain balance.
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True, and find the one that best works for you. The most effective I have seen and using overall is one which the sweeping foot never leaves the floor (moves in an arch) and actually draws the opponents leg towards you somewhat at an angle (therefore your leg is also being drawn back much like an inverted sanchin step for you Uechi people). The trick is to leave you forward leg bent so as not to telegraph the sweep from the rear leg. The hip not the leg generates the force required making it look rather gentle in application. The fact that the weight is or is not on the leg being swept matters not if the follow up is initiated with the sweep. Caution; do not use the toes or instep for the sweep. Sweeps (effective) have eluded me for years, this one rocks for me.I spent a long time looking for the principle of sweeping, and there are a number of different types of sweep. Generally there is the light sweep were you just gently move the opponent's leg with your own
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Good stuff...
I happen to like another version of a "sweep" that was a Bobby Campbell favorite. Actually it's more like a dump.
What you want to do is contact the body at two points, and rotate it about its center. Think of this as an application of "hawk chases sparrow" in seichin kata.
*You raise your knee and possibly clash with the person.
* Put your leading hand on the person's shoulder and grab on.
* Start pulling the person's weight on that front leg, and bringing the shoulder back a bit.
* Drop the raised leg so that your calf graizes theirs. You want to take the space that their front leg took.
* When they lose balance, you will suddenly hold all their weight on your front grabbing arm. Make sure you have an impeccable crane stance.
* Finish the person off with the free hand before they hit the ground (you can hold them up a bit) and this is legal in almost all tournaments.
I find this works best in a clash when the opponent can't see what you are setting up. Bobby was able to make it work against a charging opponent.
- Bill
I happen to like another version of a "sweep" that was a Bobby Campbell favorite. Actually it's more like a dump.
What you want to do is contact the body at two points, and rotate it about its center. Think of this as an application of "hawk chases sparrow" in seichin kata.
*You raise your knee and possibly clash with the person.
* Put your leading hand on the person's shoulder and grab on.
* Start pulling the person's weight on that front leg, and bringing the shoulder back a bit.
* Drop the raised leg so that your calf graizes theirs. You want to take the space that their front leg took.
* When they lose balance, you will suddenly hold all their weight on your front grabbing arm. Make sure you have an impeccable crane stance.
* Finish the person off with the free hand before they hit the ground (you can hold them up a bit) and this is legal in almost all tournaments.
I find this works best in a clash when the opponent can't see what you are setting up. Bobby was able to make it work against a charging opponent.
- Bill
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The sweep is a staple of the USMC Martial Arts Program. Here are a few excerpts from a true 'Reality Based' course:
"THREE PARTS OF A THROW
a. Entry. The first part of a throw is the entry. Your
entry needs to be quick and untellegraphed to prevent your opponent from anticipating your movement and countering your attack. You also want to make sure that your body positioning is correct in relation to your opponent to allow for proper off-balancing and execution of the throw.
b. Off-Balancing. The second part of a throw is off-balancing.
Off-balancing techniques are used to control an opponent by using the momentum of the opponent to move or throw him. Off-balancing techniques can be used to throw an opponent to the deck while you remain standing, or they can be used to put you in a position for a strike, a choke, etc. Off-balancing also aids in execution of throws because your opponent is unable to fight your attack will full strength due to being off-balanced.
c. Execution. The third and final piece of a throw is the execuion. Whatever steps remain in the throw to take the opponent to the deck are utilized here. Each piece before this, is just to set up and assist in this final process.
LEG SWEEP
a. Leg Sweep. A leg sweep can be used to take the opponent
to the deck while you remain standing. A leg sweep is particularly effective if the opponent is already off-balanced and moving backward or pulling on you.
b. Training the Technique. To teach the leg sweep
technique, walk students through the technique, step by step, working on proper body position and execution. To teach the leg sweep, have the student:
(1) Stand facing opponent.
(2) With your left hand, grasp the opponent's right
wrist. Grab the opponent's clothing or gear if you cannot grab his wrist.
(3) Step forward with your left foot on the outside of
the opponent's right foot. At the same time, with your right hand, grasp your opponents upper right torso area either on gear or flesh.
(a) Your foot should be at least in line or behind
the opponent's foot.
(b) Your foot should be placed outside of the
opponent's foot, far enough to provide room to bring the other leg through to execute the sweep.
(4) Begin to off-balance the opponent by pulling his
wrist downward close to your body and pushing his shoulder backward.
(5) Raise your right knee (no higher than waist high) and
bring your foot behind the opponent's right leg, and stop. The leg should be bent at the knee.
(a) This action takes less movement than
straightening the leg prior to the sweep.
(b) When your leg is raised you should be balanced
and in a position to easily off-balance the opponent.
(6) Sweep through the opponent’s leg, making contact
with your calf on the opponent's calf. At the same time, continue off-balancing by pulling the wrist and driving your opponent back with your right side.
(a) In a combative engagement contact will be made with the cutting edge of the heel on the opponent’s achilles tendon or calf.
(7) Bending at the waist, continue to drive through the opponent's leg as you force him down to the deck. You have to release your grip on the opponent's shoulder in order to maintain your balance."
This sounds just like the way Bob Campbell executed the sweep. What do you think Bill?
Now all it takes is practice, practice, practice.
Rich
"THREE PARTS OF A THROW
a. Entry. The first part of a throw is the entry. Your
entry needs to be quick and untellegraphed to prevent your opponent from anticipating your movement and countering your attack. You also want to make sure that your body positioning is correct in relation to your opponent to allow for proper off-balancing and execution of the throw.
b. Off-Balancing. The second part of a throw is off-balancing.
Off-balancing techniques are used to control an opponent by using the momentum of the opponent to move or throw him. Off-balancing techniques can be used to throw an opponent to the deck while you remain standing, or they can be used to put you in a position for a strike, a choke, etc. Off-balancing also aids in execution of throws because your opponent is unable to fight your attack will full strength due to being off-balanced.
c. Execution. The third and final piece of a throw is the execuion. Whatever steps remain in the throw to take the opponent to the deck are utilized here. Each piece before this, is just to set up and assist in this final process.
LEG SWEEP
a. Leg Sweep. A leg sweep can be used to take the opponent
to the deck while you remain standing. A leg sweep is particularly effective if the opponent is already off-balanced and moving backward or pulling on you.
b. Training the Technique. To teach the leg sweep
technique, walk students through the technique, step by step, working on proper body position and execution. To teach the leg sweep, have the student:
(1) Stand facing opponent.
(2) With your left hand, grasp the opponent's right
wrist. Grab the opponent's clothing or gear if you cannot grab his wrist.
(3) Step forward with your left foot on the outside of
the opponent's right foot. At the same time, with your right hand, grasp your opponents upper right torso area either on gear or flesh.
(a) Your foot should be at least in line or behind
the opponent's foot.
(b) Your foot should be placed outside of the
opponent's foot, far enough to provide room to bring the other leg through to execute the sweep.
(4) Begin to off-balance the opponent by pulling his
wrist downward close to your body and pushing his shoulder backward.
(5) Raise your right knee (no higher than waist high) and
bring your foot behind the opponent's right leg, and stop. The leg should be bent at the knee.
(a) This action takes less movement than
straightening the leg prior to the sweep.
(b) When your leg is raised you should be balanced
and in a position to easily off-balance the opponent.
(6) Sweep through the opponent’s leg, making contact
with your calf on the opponent's calf. At the same time, continue off-balancing by pulling the wrist and driving your opponent back with your right side.
(a) In a combative engagement contact will be made with the cutting edge of the heel on the opponent’s achilles tendon or calf.
(7) Bending at the waist, continue to drive through the opponent's leg as you force him down to the deck. You have to release your grip on the opponent's shoulder in order to maintain your balance."
This sounds just like the way Bob Campbell executed the sweep. What do you think Bill?
Now all it takes is practice, practice, practice.
Rich
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Rich
The technique you typed here is similar in principle. Bobby and I can do it with one hand though, and we often do it left to left as opposed to right to right. But it works both ways. I did a very similar right to right version in a Shorei Kai Goju bunkai. It looked a lot less like application of "hawk chases sparrow" in seichin, and more like the fancy circle movement in seiryu.
Big difference here though is step 7. We are Uechika. We do not bend at the waist and we do not necessarily need to let go. Sanchin training makes this possible. Without sanchin though you need step 7.
- Bill
The technique you typed here is similar in principle. Bobby and I can do it with one hand though, and we often do it left to left as opposed to right to right. But it works both ways. I did a very similar right to right version in a Shorei Kai Goju bunkai. It looked a lot less like application of "hawk chases sparrow" in seichin, and more like the fancy circle movement in seiryu.
Big difference here though is step 7. We are Uechika. We do not bend at the waist and we do not necessarily need to let go. Sanchin training makes this possible. Without sanchin though you need step 7.
- Bill
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Thanks for the input here. I did not include the next few sentences to clarify the desired followup.
The intent on this move is to put the opponent on the ground forcefully then back away and train your weapon on him/her. The mindset is to get clear and create distance so you can move up to the next level of the force continuum as necessary. There is no desire to continue a hand to hand fight.
Rich
The intent on this move is to put the opponent on the ground forcefully then back away and train your weapon on him/her. The mindset is to get clear and create distance so you can move up to the next level of the force continuum as necessary. There is no desire to continue a hand to hand fight.
Rich
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Here's a (very) quick analysis of sweeps.
Two major divisions, static and moving.
In a static sweep, you pin your opponents weight on one foot and then sweep that leg. Such as in O-soto-gari.
A moving sweep requires exquisite timing. As your opponent steps, just before he transfers weight to the foot, you remove it. You can remove it by sweeping it across (de ashi harai), continuing its own action forward (ko uchi gari) or stopping it behind the line of balance (sasae tsurikomi ashi).
Always try to throw/takedown into the weak line of balance (if someone is standing in any stance, draw a line between his feet. That's the strong line. The weak line is exactly perpendicular regardless of the line of hips or shoulders).
Try to work with 'gifts'. Creating kuzushi is important. Recognizing when your opponent is handing you kuzushi is more important.
Maximize your leverage. Almost all sweeps involve a two-way action between your legs and arms. The higher your arms apply force (provided you don't get to one of the really flexible places, like pushing the head/spine forward) the farther the force will be from the leg force, the more leverage, the bigger boom.
Stay in your strength zone, especially for static sweeps. The farther you reach with your leg, the weaker it will be. Keep your center of gravity close.
DON'T piss away good stuff for a new technique. Almost every push/pull in sweeping can be a strike; nerve gouges can be used to set up and execute throws. Don't forget the skills you already have when working on sweeps.
Rory
Here's a (very) quick analysis of sweeps.
Two major divisions, static and moving.
In a static sweep, you pin your opponents weight on one foot and then sweep that leg. Such as in O-soto-gari.
A moving sweep requires exquisite timing. As your opponent steps, just before he transfers weight to the foot, you remove it. You can remove it by sweeping it across (de ashi harai), continuing its own action forward (ko uchi gari) or stopping it behind the line of balance (sasae tsurikomi ashi).
Always try to throw/takedown into the weak line of balance (if someone is standing in any stance, draw a line between his feet. That's the strong line. The weak line is exactly perpendicular regardless of the line of hips or shoulders).
Try to work with 'gifts'. Creating kuzushi is important. Recognizing when your opponent is handing you kuzushi is more important.
Maximize your leverage. Almost all sweeps involve a two-way action between your legs and arms. The higher your arms apply force (provided you don't get to one of the really flexible places, like pushing the head/spine forward) the farther the force will be from the leg force, the more leverage, the bigger boom.
Stay in your strength zone, especially for static sweeps. The farther you reach with your leg, the weaker it will be. Keep your center of gravity close.
DON'T piss away good stuff for a new technique. Almost every push/pull in sweeping can be a strike; nerve gouges can be used to set up and execute throws. Don't forget the skills you already have when working on sweeps.
Rory
