Can't comment on your school or Sensei, and some physical reality is part of training.
You can't go all the way and never hit or get hit.
However, the concept of CONDITIONING means gradual, increasing exposure to contact so that it does not shock your body.
Later, your Sensei might suddenly call you an unrepeatable (here) name and lunge at you like a madman...to see how you react. However, your well-being and development is in his mind; that is the goal. That's the difference between being bullied in class (seen that), and challenged to respond with conviction.
Many later-life problems start as young-life oversights.
You may not be as tough as you think you are, it just seems that way right now. I don't know how old/young you are, but don't trivialize injuries like wrist and hip problems; they are the engine and piston of martial art technique.
Injuries impede training, plain and simple.
If you wish to carry your MA ability into your later life, take precautions now to ensure that you actually can.
BTW, I started at 47, I'm 51 now, and plan to continue until I can't.
What do you see at 50?
(Rhetorical question.)
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Bill Glasheen
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I agree that there is a delicate balance between teaching and encouraging independent work.
In the beginning, people should be spoonfed. But after the 500th time (no exaggeration, BTW) of talking about a basic concept that a student is having problems with, a good instructor must expect the student to take a more active role in improving. This makes the most sense for the student.
Let us not confuse "encouraging independent work and self discovery" and "bad teaching." We've all experienced the latter at some point in life.
A good teacher understands that (s)he must modify the teaching approach based on the person (s)he is working with. Kids need to have fun. Green adults need detailed instruction. Much needs to be said to minimize the risk of going down a wrong path and wasting time.
A good teacher also understands that (s)he won't be there forever, and that the one in a thousand student is capable of being much better than (s)he could ever have been. As such, instructors need to allow students the opportunity to try, fail, and learn from the experience. In both health care and the martial arts, it isn't wise to create strong dependencies. A wise doctor and a secure martial arts instructor will kindle the creative spirit in the individual and allow it to go where it may. At that point, then a different level of interaction is expected to guide the individual in their self care.
Another good technique in this learning process is to have a student teach. Much can be learned from teaching partially gelled concepts, and an instructor can often "back door" a correction by pointing it out in a student's student.
But on this training thing in particular... We only have so much time in the dojo. As we broaden the cirriculum, there's no way the individual is going to be able to maximize potential without taking on some responsibility for doing the scut work on their own time. Once the student is shown the path, only THEY can do the work needed to maintain the journey.
FWIW.
- Bill
I agree that there is a delicate balance between teaching and encouraging independent work.
In the beginning, people should be spoonfed. But after the 500th time (no exaggeration, BTW) of talking about a basic concept that a student is having problems with, a good instructor must expect the student to take a more active role in improving. This makes the most sense for the student.
Let us not confuse "encouraging independent work and self discovery" and "bad teaching." We've all experienced the latter at some point in life.
A good teacher understands that (s)he must modify the teaching approach based on the person (s)he is working with. Kids need to have fun. Green adults need detailed instruction. Much needs to be said to minimize the risk of going down a wrong path and wasting time.
A good teacher also understands that (s)he won't be there forever, and that the one in a thousand student is capable of being much better than (s)he could ever have been. As such, instructors need to allow students the opportunity to try, fail, and learn from the experience. In both health care and the martial arts, it isn't wise to create strong dependencies. A wise doctor and a secure martial arts instructor will kindle the creative spirit in the individual and allow it to go where it may. At that point, then a different level of interaction is expected to guide the individual in their self care.
Another good technique in this learning process is to have a student teach. Much can be learned from teaching partially gelled concepts, and an instructor can often "back door" a correction by pointing it out in a student's student.
But on this training thing in particular... We only have so much time in the dojo. As we broaden the cirriculum, there's no way the individual is going to be able to maximize potential without taking on some responsibility for doing the scut work on their own time. Once the student is shown the path, only THEY can do the work needed to maintain the journey.
FWIW.
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Bill Glasheen
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Wish I could... It sounds rather freakish, but then many of these soft tissue injuries are. Up until a decade or two ago, modern medicine couldn't even see these injuries without surgery.I was hoping you'd describe to me what is going on with the outlined malady, Bill.
Was it a single event trauma or a repetitive task injury?
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Bill,
By the way, I have been working on those Uechi pushups ever since you showed them to me. I started on mats and grass and within about a month have gotten so I can do thirtyish of them on such surfaces. I've experimented with gym floor surfaces and... well they aren't impossible, but I can't do all that many on it yet. But I have been very pleased with the improvement. It's a great exercise!
--Brian
By the way, I have been working on those Uechi pushups ever since you showed them to me. I started on mats and grass and within about a month have gotten so I can do thirtyish of them on such surfaces. I've experimented with gym floor surfaces and... well they aren't impossible, but I can't do all that many on it yet. But I have been very pleased with the improvement. It's a great exercise!
--Brian
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2 questions.. how old are you? Did this @$$hole tell you he was going to kick you?!The assistant on the other hand is crazy. He wants kicked me in my stomach to see if I could take it. Next thing you know I was outside trying to revive my lungs lol.
~Junior
Also to every one else.... I noticed that people refer to "non karate days" for workouts. Does this mean you take 2 to three days a week without doing kata or technique? If so I need to re-think my training program.
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Bill Glasheen
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Yes and no... It depends...
There have been times in my life where I did martial arts 6 to 7 days a week. But never the same style every day.
Personally I have days where I practice/teach karate, and days that are my own. On my "off" days, I will still warm up with martial arts techniques, and perhaps drill a few aspects of my art that are of interest to me at the time. Then I head for the weight room and an intense hour of work.
Even and especially if you work out every day, you need to have variety in your training. Otherwise you're going to burn out. You also need planned active rest periods, and a revamping of your training schedule 3 to 4 times a year.
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Yes and no... It depends...
There have been times in my life where I did martial arts 6 to 7 days a week. But never the same style every day.
Personally I have days where I practice/teach karate, and days that are my own. On my "off" days, I will still warm up with martial arts techniques, and perhaps drill a few aspects of my art that are of interest to me at the time. Then I head for the weight room and an intense hour of work.
Even and especially if you work out every day, you need to have variety in your training. Otherwise you're going to burn out. You also need planned active rest periods, and a revamping of your training schedule 3 to 4 times a year.
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Junior,
I am no excersize physiologist but I do know that when your wrist pops and your hip bothers you, you need to tone it down a bit. Your 16 years old... don't grow up to be one of those gimped up ex football players who can't do anything athletic anymore 'cause their knees (ect.) are ruined. Though you didn't ask for it, my advice is to see what your doctor says about your weight training regime.
Sincerely,
Ben
I am no excersize physiologist but I do know that when your wrist pops and your hip bothers you, you need to tone it down a bit. Your 16 years old... don't grow up to be one of those gimped up ex football players who can't do anything athletic anymore 'cause their knees (ect.) are ruined. Though you didn't ask for it, my advice is to see what your doctor says about your weight training regime.
Sincerely,
Ben
