Cane as a weapon?

[Karateka]

Does anyone here use a cane as a weapon? What do you think of www.canemasters.com ?

[RACastanet]

I have one of their better canes and took a course a few years ago at GEM's summer camp in its use. As it is pretty innocuous I keep it in my car should I be somewhere that I cannot carry a firearm or knife but feel the need for some sort of weapon.

It does have good craftmanship and is made of what appears to be red oak.

Rich

[Sochin]

I like their canes but their approach (videos) is too oriented to winning a weapons tournament to be really useful for self defence.

The only other cane vid I've seen that I believe is fairly usless for s-d is the Defensive Techniques: The Walking Stick from Giunsight, I was dissappointed they chose a flashy martial artsy style over dependable practical stuff others have taught.

[Karateka]

I like their canes but their approach (videos) is too oriented to winning a weapons tournament to be really useful for self defence.

The only other cane vid I've seen that I believe is fairly usless for s-d is the Defensive Techniques: The Walking Stick from Giunsight, I was dissappointed they chose a flashy martial artsy style over dependable practical stuff others have taught.

I have nothing to compare cane master with, but the video links on basic movements look o.k. How is the Giunsight's better? Are you talking about the kata they teach or the system as a whole?

[Deep Sea]

[Thaws]

Some in our group practice cane counterattacks. The most practicle movements seem to me to come from Fillipino stick methods. Direct and to the point(no pun intended). More and more the cane appears to be the most practical weapon as its legal and we'll all hopefully live long enough to need one.

[Karateka]

Some in our group practice cane counterattacks. The most practicle movements seem to me to come from Fillipino stick methods. Direct and to the point(no pun intended). More and more the cane appears to be the most practical weapon as its legal and we'll all hopefully live long enough to need one.

I think you'll find that the movements you like are found in all styles of stick fighting and are not just Fillipino. La Canne and Irish bata are good examples.

[Sochin]

To clear up what I made unclear before:

I think the Gunsite vid to be almost as bad as Canemasters for s-d.

I DO positively like Fairbairn's stuff as summed up in Fairbairn’s Combative Stick Method available at
http://www.get-tough.net – Swedish Close Combat Website

Fairbairn's writings about his stick method is found in All-In Fighting, published in the US as “Get Tough”
and Self Defence For Women & Girls, published as “Hands Off!” in the US.

Simple (first year) arnis stuff is very workable...

[Karateka]

I notice that a Uechi ryu dojo was listed on the Cane Masters site, anyone know who it is?

[Karateka]

I'm trying to find a little ure history of the cane in the Japans, can anyone tell me what the Japanese word for cane is? Is it jo? Thanks.

[Halford]

Canes are interesting and have quite a history as most of you now know. Gun canes and sword canes are also fascinating and perhaps would be best for self-defense if they didn't tend to get you in trouble with the law these days. Walking sticks are good but they can be construed as a weapon rather than a gentleman's fashion these days. The cane with a handle is perhaps better to carry and there are several types. The person who has,in my humble opinion, the better manual or instruction on such is GRANDMASTER AMANTE P. MARINAS,Sr. of PANANANDATA and he also employs the umbrella in a similar fashion so that some techniques are interchangeable. The early works on canes and walking sticks, as seen in the Fairbairn book(s) and similar military manuals are good for starts.However, as with anything else, practice and proper practice at that, is essential. As for canemasters and the so forth, some instruction in these things is always better than no instruction, even though you might have to unlearn some things when you find something more advanced or more to your personal needs,etc. More could be said on this,of course. Thanks for your time, Halford E. Jones at http://arnis.homestead.com

[LeeDarrow]

In the traditional styles of Savate, two sticks were used - one a traditional man's walking stick, the other, a much shorter stick, similar to the truncheon, nightstick or shelleigh (which traditionally was often a much shorter stick than a cane and used for s-d).

The sticks were used to parry rapiers, sword cane blades and other sticks, mostly, according to some sources, but also could be deadly, especially useful in fighting against multiple opponents.

As the feet were the primary weapon (but not the only one as some modern practitioners would have you believe), the longer stick gave the fighter a third weapon with which to attack or defend with.

There is a little bit in The History of Personal Combat (I don't have it handy at the moment, so I can't give you the author) on this art. Almost all of the real practitioners of this form were killed in WWII. Most were pimps from Paris, Marseilles and the like.

Hope this helps.

Lee Darrow, C.Ht.
http://www.leedarrow.com

[Karateka]

The Japanese word used for cane (and also means stick in general) is Tsue.

Tsue do or Tsue jitsu.

[lookingglass]

I met a man that was skilled with the nunchuks and he told me that if you dont know how to use them just use them like you would a stick or bat. Dont worry about swingingt them and trying to look good; just keep swinging until they are on the ground or you can get away.
If this in not good for you rent some Jackie chan movies and see if it works out. LOL really loud.

[Halford]

Be careful of rebounding and reverberation and so forth. It all depends on many factors too numerous to mention here, at least tonight!. Halford at http://arnis.homestead.com