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Rick Wilson wrote:strikes to the ribs, solar plexus etc. And let me tell you that an uppercut to the solar plexus is a very different hit than a straight shot to the stomach.
Ahmen to that Brother Rick!

A conditioning drill that my buddy Frank learned from Ninomiya Sensei (Enshin) is lobbing three hard shots into your partner, once in the right side, once in the left side, and the last a shot in the gut. Then the guy has to push you over into the next stance, where you lob three more shots. Then another push, giving resistance, 3 more shots. Do that for 3 minutes then switch... Holy crap! Not only do you get conditioning, man... you get tired.
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uglyelk wrote: :roll: :multi: :multi: :multi: Or ripping off someones testicles. Seems the mythical still abounds.


Ah yes Laird... the ol' "Monkey Steals Peach" technique! :D
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You folks keep on discussing. So far so good.

Just remember to be gentle with someone who obviously needs a little bit of perspective on their martial arts training. I think it's fair to say that there's quite a bit of conventional wisdom that many Uechi greats preached for many years before better evidence led them to believe to the contrary. This would include things like techniques which worked beautifully in the dojo, but failed on the street because they relied too much on fine and/or complex motor coordination, and they didn't have the ability to control their stress response.

I truly believe Uechi is going through a bit of adolescence. Like little children, we used to idolize our elders. The culture from which it came taught us to treat elders with respect. The Okinawans who passed this information on are fallible humans just like you and I. Some of the great knowledge and wisdom that came from the land Kanbun visited was able to make it on to Okinawa and beyond. Some did not. We're still learning about all that today.

And some things just weren't known until recently, because modern dissection of human anatomy is a nineteenth and twentieth century Western tradition. And we're just now recording (not passing on by word of mouth) lots of good detailed information on what works and under what conditions.

Shove the nose up into the brain? Does anyone remember Mike Tyson saying this? (He did...) You gonna argue with him? (I won't...) Even great fighters say stupid things.

But as we reject the stupid things taught to us by those who don't understand the material, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. You know how adolescents are. They go from thinking their parents know everything to their parents knowing nothing. Neither extreme makes sense.

It will take more time before many will re-discover how smart their elders were... ;) That starts with more personal growth.

Where did Joe learn that roundhouse kick? Probably indirectly from all that experimentation going on at Cambridge and Hancock - the old Mattson Academy. That was quite an eclectic bunch! Folks like Bobby Campbell copied other arts as easily as you and I drive to work. And that "general knowledge" permeated the entire community.

The thing that I like to tell people about Uechi's style (and some other martial arts as well) is that it's a blank slate. With its parsimonious three kata, most anything you want to do with your body in a fight can be found in some motion somewhere in the forms. It just takes a little eye squinting to see it. ;)

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Intereting discussion with lots of counterpoints. I think it does boil down to the best fighters usually win.

The point I mentioned about strategy has generally been overlooked. Through first hand observation, James Human observed that the Australian figherst were supurbly conditioned Uechi fighters who incorporated many Thai kickboxing training techniques and offensive weapons but perhaps at the expense of developing their abdominal and upper body conditioning to the same high degree as their ability to break bats and punch the walls. His superior strategy was to attack the relative weaknesses and not be a standup stay still bat in the rack!

The strategy worked. Human won in 1993 over (is it Carl?) and Ric Martin won in Okinawa in 1994. The matches were strongly contested and the fighters were highly skilled, well-prepared, motivated athletes. Coincidently, Sensei Martin adopted many of the Australians' conditioning drills and even went on to get certified in teaching Thai style kick-boxing.

I have confidence in my own abilities and they are tested twice weekly in class. I have the respect of my peers and my Sensei. I have confidence in my style and I don't feel a need to shuck it but I continually seek to improve through bettering my skills and understanding of TMA. I can hit and hurt and I protect myself in classroom situations against new blackbelts and some of these guys are still raw and brutal and seasoned veterans many of whom are younger, faster, bigger and stronger. I am OK with Uechi Ryu. I have no aspirations to be a competative sport karate participant. I endorse a range of counter attacks based on the degree of threat posed by the attacker. Fortunately, I've not had to use extreme, life-threatening techniques.

I still say that few boxers could take Shinjo Sensei's best shot to the legs without a considerable decline in counter-fighting ability and in contrast many karate fighters could take a boxer's best gloved shot to the body and counter strongly.
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I still say that few boxers could take Shinjo Sensei's best shot to the legs without a considerable decline in counter-fighting ability and in contrast many karate fighters could take a boxer's best gloved shot to the body and counter strongly.
And you know this because.........?

P.S. Isn't Shinjo a little old to be going around kicking boxers? What's a guy his age got to prove anyway?
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Isn't Shinjo a little old to be going around kicking boxers? What's a guy his age got to prove anyway?
The same as you and I ... that the adversary is within :!: [/quote]
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Ah yes Laird... the ol' "Monkey Steals Peach" technique!
hahaha

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[quote="John Giacoletti]
The same as you and I ... that the adversary is within :!: [/quote]

Ok, so you're saying that Shinjo believes that the adversary is within him, therefore even at his age, he must kick boxers? What the hell does that have to do with your unfounded comments? What does it have to do with anything? WHAT DOES IT EVEN MEAN?
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It`s some deep mystical off track stuff Tony
The strategy worked. Human won in 1993 over (is it Carl?) and Ric Martin won in Okinawa in 1994. The matches were strongly contested and the fighters were highly skilled, well-prepared, motivated athletes. Coincidently, Sensei Martin adopted many of the Australians' conditioning drills and even went on to get certified in teaching Thai style kick-boxing.
the Thais are the pinacle of full contact striking , I`d be more impressed with Thai boxer versus Uechika , rather than Uechika using thai methods versus uechika , the only karate style to have tried this to my knowledge is Kyokushin . But i`m sure all the fighters mentioned are awesome and above averages by a long shot .

I still say that few boxers could take Shinjo Sensei's best shot to the legs without a considerable decline in counter-fighting ability and in contrast many karate fighters could take a boxer's best gloved shot to the body and counter strongly.
I still beleive Batman could take Spiderman , how many Uechika would take a Mike tyson Uppercut if they gave him a freebie .

I like Ricks list , it`s the training and individual that counts , all these questions are easily answered once you test them .
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This guy is suffering from a bad case of Sensei Worship. I mean, we all have our heros but this guy is out there...

He gives us dumb ginny's a bad name.
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Stryke wrote:I still beleive Batman could take Spiderman , how many Uechika would take a Mike tyson Uppercut if they gave him a freebie.
I believe I can kick the Hulks ass! :lol: Hell I know it. :multi:
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hell mate I think I saw you turn that shade of green once ... I think it had something to do with red wine and scotch though .... Ugg

that was a hell ride to the airport eh :oops:
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nevermind.
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read and noted , thanks Dana
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Couldn't been the scotch mate.....must have been that leg of lamb we gourged! Damn the wee beasts!
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