Bill O' Reilly is the Fox News channel's number one personality and his show the O' Reilly Factor is the highest rated program.Recently, Bill has come under fire by a former female producer last name being Mackris who for a time left to work at Cnn then later returned to Fox when they matched her salary.Mackris worked as an intern for the first Bush administration and is a known Democratic party contributer who is now claiming that during phone calls that she was harrased sexually with lewd comments by Mr. O' Reilly.According to Fox news they have recovered an email sent by Mackris during her employment and prior to these allegations against O' Reilly in which she stated that her work was invigorating and she was sorrounded by great people and she was finally home now among other things. O' Reilly stated that this was a politically motivated act of extortion and is now suing in return after Mackris and her lawyer asked for 60 million in hush money in order for Mackris not to file the case.O' reilly states "this is the single most evil thing I have ever experienced and i've seen alot.But these people picked the wrong guy." O ' Reilly's lawyer has challenged Mackris to produce tapes they believe exist but so far Mackris and her lawyer have not commented.
To me something smells funny here . My feeling is it is extortion and evil at the highest level and Bill will be cleared and this woman will be exposed for what she is.Bill has said produce the tapes and offer more than your accusations and so far we have seen no evidence to support her claims.I'm confident Bill has done nothing wrong and will be cleared of all charges..Go Bet these oppurtunists Bill and make them Pay..
Jeff-------Go Bill!!!!!!!!!!!!
O' Reilly sued......?
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correction i apologize
Morelli who is the lawyer of Mackris is the democratic contributor.and I stated above that an email was produced by Fox prior to the allegations which is not the case excuse me An email was produced from Mackris last month that claimed all was well and good when she has claimed the harrassment by O' Reilly or what she called odd behavior when she alledges he told her to use a sex toy after her engagement broke off was in 2002.so of course the correct statement is that the contradictory email was produced last month when she is saying the harrasment started in 2002.
Sorry.
Jeff .. Hope i got it right but i'm sure you'll see more on it.and don't take my exact wording on it.But i still feel it's extortion and Bill will Be cleared
Sorry.
Jeff .. Hope i got it right but i'm sure you'll see more on it.and don't take my exact wording on it.But i still feel it's extortion and Bill will Be cleared
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Oh my... 
It is tempting for people on both sides of the political spectrum to make hay with this. And of course the timing is strictly coincidental, right?
Makris was on The Today Show this morning with her lawyer. She mostly sat there, and her lawyer did all the talking. The interviewer howerver read that gushing e-mail that you commented on, Jeff, and Makris smiled. She said she wrote it. She stated she was surrounded by great people and loved her job. Soooo....
We're all going to have to wade through this one, Jeff. Fasten your seat belts, and let the lawyers do their thing. It's gonna get extremely ugly.
- Bill
It is tempting for people on both sides of the political spectrum to make hay with this. And of course the timing is strictly coincidental, right?
Makris was on The Today Show this morning with her lawyer. She mostly sat there, and her lawyer did all the talking. The interviewer howerver read that gushing e-mail that you commented on, Jeff, and Makris smiled. She said she wrote it. She stated she was surrounded by great people and loved her job. Soooo....
We're all going to have to wade through this one, Jeff. Fasten your seat belts, and let the lawyers do their thing. It's gonna get extremely ugly.
- Bill
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On a related subject...
This reminds me a little bit of a "harassment" case against a male, where a boss related a Seinfeld episode to his subordinate.
Isn't That Fascism?
No, Because We Don't Call It Fascism.
Falsely accusing someone of harassment IMO is even more serious, because it makes life that much more difficult for women (and yes, some men) who must endure this harassment.
And the self defense lesson of the day? Be good to everyone. Watch your back. Watch your tongue. And document, document, document.
Unfortunately there are some jobs in life where you cannot be "nice" to everyone. Fair, yes. Nice? Not a chance. These people need to be careful.
- Bill
Isn't That Fascism?
No, Because We Don't Call It Fascism.
Harassment is a serious issue.In the episode, Jerry Seinfeld cannot remember the name of the woman he is dating, but he does recall that she said kids teased her as a child because her name rhymes with a part of the female anatomy. Jerry and his friend George brainstorm, but the best guesses they can come up with are the unlikely "Mulva" and "Gipple." Jerry's girlfriend breaks up with him when she realizes he doesn't know her name. As she leaves him forever, Jerry finally remembers the elusive rhyming name and calls after her, "Delores!"
Mackenzie related the details of this episode to Best, but she told Mackenzie she did not get the joke. To clarify the somewhat off-color punch line, Mackenzie gave her a copy of a dictionary page on which the word "clitoris" was highlighted. Best -- who was apparently known to use salty language at work herself -- complained to Miller Brewing officials of sexual harassment, and Miller Brewing fired Mackenzie for "unacceptable managerial performance." Mackenzie responded with a lawsuit alleging wrongful termination and other wrongs.
At trial, Miller Brewing officials acknowledged that the direct cause of Mackenzie's termination was the Seinfeld incident and the ensuing fear of a sexual harassment lawsuit. The jury awarded Mackenzie $26.6 million, including $1.5 million in punitive damages against Best for interfering with Mackenzie's employment relationship with Miller Brewing. The verdict was later overturned on appeal because Wisconsin law does not have a law banning wrongful termination.
Falsely accusing someone of harassment IMO is even more serious, because it makes life that much more difficult for women (and yes, some men) who must endure this harassment.
And the self defense lesson of the day? Be good to everyone. Watch your back. Watch your tongue. And document, document, document.
Unfortunately there are some jobs in life where you cannot be "nice" to everyone. Fair, yes. Nice? Not a chance. These people need to be careful.
- Bill
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lol
guys i'm not even sure i could write it on here and I hope this isn't violating the rules but to answer Van's question the aol story I read said it's just your ordinary run of the mill vibration tool. lol.. hope that doesn't reverberate through this forum as being in bad taste but it is a fact of the case as it seems lol.By the way I realize I have been right winger man in the forum and I apologize if i offended anyone or posted anything anywhere that ya know caused anyone any i don't know bad feelings or whatever it was my mistake sometimes I say to much lol..
thanks
Jeff
thanks
Jeff
Thanks Van..Really.
I admire my Sensei and a number of people here and in my life and you're surely one of those people I do admire truly so thanks sincerely it means alot..
Best Wishes,
Jeff
Best Wishes,
Jeff
Oh please no ...
I am getting so tired of frivolous lawsuits. They do in fact dilute the impact and importance of *real* lawsuits, and they create resentment or even outright hatred between individuals for no good reason.
Boy, if an employee thought that the recounting of a Seinfeld episode constituted harassment that created a hostile work environment, I wonder what kind of work environment she'd have after the lawsuit. How about deafening silence around her area? Perfunctory conversations conducted in monotones?
There's professionalism, but there's also bonding in the workplace that simply can't happen if people are restricted to G-rated, vanilla conversations. But I suppose we have no choice but to get by, and remember, don't discuss those tv programs or movies. They're full of harassment material. Best keep the radio turned off at work too. Screen savers should be blank colors or geometric designs that allow for all shapes and sizes and styles of geometry equally. And forget about Hawaiian shirt day at work. That's just asking for a lawsuit right there.
Kami
I am getting so tired of frivolous lawsuits. They do in fact dilute the impact and importance of *real* lawsuits, and they create resentment or even outright hatred between individuals for no good reason.
Boy, if an employee thought that the recounting of a Seinfeld episode constituted harassment that created a hostile work environment, I wonder what kind of work environment she'd have after the lawsuit. How about deafening silence around her area? Perfunctory conversations conducted in monotones?
There's professionalism, but there's also bonding in the workplace that simply can't happen if people are restricted to G-rated, vanilla conversations. But I suppose we have no choice but to get by, and remember, don't discuss those tv programs or movies. They're full of harassment material. Best keep the radio turned off at work too. Screen savers should be blank colors or geometric designs that allow for all shapes and sizes and styles of geometry equally. And forget about Hawaiian shirt day at work. That's just asking for a lawsuit right there.
Kami
One seed, many lives.
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O' Reilly is a strong willed person and I enjoy watching him and tend to agree with his views but I stated above that I truly think he is innocent and I still feel that way at about an eighty percent clip however his unwillingness to flatly deny the womans claims about him are starting to make me wonder a little about what really happened here.I just don't know afterall he is human and his silence in the area I mentioned above is something that just doesn't seem right unless he just wants to handle it in the courts totally and not state anything in public about not doing it or doing it or to what degree it was done.Who knows?
One thing I felt was strange though was the woman this Andrea Mackris according to one news source I saw said he harassed her at private dinner meetings when they met and she said it disturbed her and she felt it was harassment but if she felt that way then why did she keep meeting him for private dinners when she had no obligation to do so if she was that put off by him.Work is one thing and you have an obligation to be there but continued meetings at private dinners when she could have left and not went back to dinner with him.and when asked about the phone calls she said I guess that she accepted his private calls cause she never knew if they would concern work or not but I just don't get it the private dinners I would have left first sign of harassment and not went back and even the calls when he starts as she said talking dirty then in my opinion her obligation to answer those calls work related or not ceases to exist.
I don't know alot of sketchy stuff to sort through this should be an interesting one for sure..
Jeff
One thing I felt was strange though was the woman this Andrea Mackris according to one news source I saw said he harassed her at private dinner meetings when they met and she said it disturbed her and she felt it was harassment but if she felt that way then why did she keep meeting him for private dinners when she had no obligation to do so if she was that put off by him.Work is one thing and you have an obligation to be there but continued meetings at private dinners when she could have left and not went back to dinner with him.and when asked about the phone calls she said I guess that she accepted his private calls cause she never knew if they would concern work or not but I just don't get it the private dinners I would have left first sign of harassment and not went back and even the calls when he starts as she said talking dirty then in my opinion her obligation to answer those calls work related or not ceases to exist.
I don't know alot of sketchy stuff to sort through this should be an interesting one for sure..
Jeff
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I concur with your observations and the others on this thread. Over 10 years ago a contractor, woman in her late 20's, to a Air Force program office brought sexual harassment charges against a young (below-the -zone) Air Force Colonel and her contractor boss. As a liason observer to the Program office and having gotten to know the 'Bird' I can vouche that the was the apotheosis of dignity and decor. She then would show up at meetings in a leather mini skirt. All males eyes never drifted anywhere near her. It was later found out that she had brought similar charges against another company and had been paid a tidy sum to settle out of court. Sadly this information was not admissible. One of the fall outs was that the Fast Burner Colonel had to resign the Air Force.
For those people ( men included) who have really been harassed, the small number of bearers of false charges does them all a disservice.
I once called a meeting of the women on our team ( Gov & contractors) and told them that I was death on any harassement of any kind. They were to immediately tell me if such behavior was directed to them so that the issue would be terminated with my comlete prejudice, and the documentation I told them to generate would support them.
I could hardly believe it when a few weeks later a young 18 secretary asked to talk to me. She said that a Gov. employee had made unseemly remarks about her looks, dress, etc. She was too nervous and shocked to reply. I told her that she was correct to tell me ASAP and that she was to consider that I would personally handle. It took me a few minutes of slow breathing to compose myself before I walked into the 50 year old slob's ( physically ans well as metally). Bottom line I told him what the young women had said, rhetorically asked how he would have felt if anyone of his 3 daughters or wife would take it, and before he could answer lowered my voice and slowly imlied dire reprecussions if this ever happened again.
Wonder of wonders. Three days later at a staff meeting, independent of this situation, the Colonel Program manager came in and gave a 5 minute speel on sexual harassement and the vice grip of penalties that the Government had put in place. I kept a fixed expression, catching out of the corner of my eye Slob's squirming.
I hoped he thought that I had escalated his misconduct for from that moment on he was as respectful to the young women and the other women as he could be.
I told this story at different times in DoD and two guys told me that they jumped immediately when they saw a woman harassed, knowing that it had been done before.
As for Bill O'Reilly, I wrote him that I hoped that based on his repeated defense of the oppressed that I and my wife were prone to believe his being a victim of a "CNN" dirty trick. But, as he had often admonished I had to be fair and balanced to "If on the off chance the charges were unfortunately true, would he be including in his Factor Gear a self-stimulating device with a Factor Logo 'THE SPIN STARTS HERE'?"
And again, Dick Morris and Bill Clinton have been rehabilitated for far worse so there is hope for "Who is Looking out for You"
For those people ( men included) who have really been harassed, the small number of bearers of false charges does them all a disservice.
I once called a meeting of the women on our team ( Gov & contractors) and told them that I was death on any harassement of any kind. They were to immediately tell me if such behavior was directed to them so that the issue would be terminated with my comlete prejudice, and the documentation I told them to generate would support them.
I could hardly believe it when a few weeks later a young 18 secretary asked to talk to me. She said that a Gov. employee had made unseemly remarks about her looks, dress, etc. She was too nervous and shocked to reply. I told her that she was correct to tell me ASAP and that she was to consider that I would personally handle. It took me a few minutes of slow breathing to compose myself before I walked into the 50 year old slob's ( physically ans well as metally). Bottom line I told him what the young women had said, rhetorically asked how he would have felt if anyone of his 3 daughters or wife would take it, and before he could answer lowered my voice and slowly imlied dire reprecussions if this ever happened again.
Wonder of wonders. Three days later at a staff meeting, independent of this situation, the Colonel Program manager came in and gave a 5 minute speel on sexual harassement and the vice grip of penalties that the Government had put in place. I kept a fixed expression, catching out of the corner of my eye Slob's squirming.
I hoped he thought that I had escalated his misconduct for from that moment on he was as respectful to the young women and the other women as he could be.
I told this story at different times in DoD and two guys told me that they jumped immediately when they saw a woman harassed, knowing that it had been done before.
As for Bill O'Reilly, I wrote him that I hoped that based on his repeated defense of the oppressed that I and my wife were prone to believe his being a victim of a "CNN" dirty trick. But, as he had often admonished I had to be fair and balanced to "If on the off chance the charges were unfortunately true, would he be including in his Factor Gear a self-stimulating device with a Factor Logo 'THE SPIN STARTS HERE'?"
And again, Dick Morris and Bill Clinton have been rehabilitated for far worse so there is hope for "Who is Looking out for You"
Separate matters here... first, there's the legal sphere. Man should have his day in court and we should keep in mind how sketchy this complaint is no matter what is decided. Dirty phone call? Hang up. Nervous moment at private dinner? Don't go back. Problem? Complain sooner. What kind of handholding BS are we coming to such that people can't solve these problems on their own? And anyone who seeks anywhere near that much in damages is just a leech. People struggle along on pennies in this country despite horrible life circumstances, and I fail to see how any inconvenience posed by a dirty phone call she elected to listen to in its entirety could require even a million to make her feel right again, much less many. Leech.
The second matter, however, is BO's BS, his highly spun no spin shtick, and the way he would devour anyone of his targets who faced these allegations and especially if convicted. We do know BO is into the dirty talk--see entertaining prose from his fiction efforts--already, and if this is how he conducts his interpersonal affairs outside of his marriage he deserves the kind of attention he'd hand out himself.
The second matter, however, is BO's BS, his highly spun no spin shtick, and the way he would devour anyone of his targets who faced these allegations and especially if convicted. We do know BO is into the dirty talk--see entertaining prose from his fiction efforts--already, and if this is how he conducts his interpersonal affairs outside of his marriage he deserves the kind of attention he'd hand out himself.
--Ian
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Ian
You may or may not like the Fox News network. I suspect you and others hate the bias as much as some hate the CNN or CBS liberal bias.
That being said, what's the offending behavior from Bill O'Reilly that you are referencing? You have me confused. Does he deserve to be charged with sexual harassment because he's opinionated and flames those he doesn't like, or is there genuinely offensive language that would qualify?
And just for grins... Should Howard Stern similarly be charged? Just wondering... Is there a double standard?
And what do you have to say of a person such as this woman who did not go to Human Resources, but instead went straight to a lawyer?
- Bill
You may or may not like the Fox News network. I suspect you and others hate the bias as much as some hate the CNN or CBS liberal bias.
That being said, what's the offending behavior from Bill O'Reilly that you are referencing? You have me confused. Does he deserve to be charged with sexual harassment because he's opinionated and flames those he doesn't like, or is there genuinely offensive language that would qualify?
And just for grins... Should Howard Stern similarly be charged? Just wondering... Is there a double standard?
And what do you have to say of a person such as this woman who did not go to Human Resources, but instead went straight to a lawyer?
- Bill
